Searching for the Goetz German Village (2022) Wednesday, April 13, 2022

One eveing in early 2Q2022, I was reviewing posts in my blog - when I was reminded of the clue about Louis Goetz's passport application in 1896 (See this post).


I went to the FamilySearch catalog and typed in  Germany, Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha. One of the reference books about the area that came up, with a digitized version, was: 

"Geographical names in the duchy of Gotha and the Thuringian forest. Indexed." 
"Germany, Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha - Names, Geographical"

I searched the book for a map and then spent an hour or so looking for the village "Ober Mallia" aka "Ober Mehler".  

I found it!! It is northeast of Muhlhausen (the geographic center of Germany).  This graphic shows page 610 with a focus on the detail around Ober Mehler (abreviated Ob. Mehler).  

From the index, page 585, it says Mehler, Ober information is on page 389 (E2).
   
  
I did a little research about the area ... just scanning some pages in Wikipedia. One item of note was this Wikipedia page on dialects in the area. I was trying to imagine someone saying "Ober Mallia" ... and how that would sound to an American.  

Our Goetz ancestors' dialect details may shed some light on this since "{t}he Thuringian dialect is characterized by a rounding of the vowels, the weakening of consonants of Standard German". 

Their dialect is: Nordthüringisch / North Thuringian: around Mühlhausen and Nordhausen 

More to research ......

Another book that might be of interest: 
"Collection analysis report: The Thuringian states : Summary of Family History Library microfilm holdings"

References:
1. Die Flurnamen des Herzogtums Gotha und die Forstnamen des Thüringerwaldes zwischen Weinstraße im Westen und der Schorte (Schleuse) im Osten; familysearch.org

2. Collection analysis report: The Thuringian states : Summary of Family History Library microfilm holdings; familysearch.org

3. Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuringian_dialect

4. Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxe-Coburg_and_Gotha

5. Ober Mehler in Meyers https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/20374051


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Thoughts on Next Steps for Carl J. Kluge (Aug 2018) Saturday, August 8, 2020

Looking for Carl Julius Kluge birth record abt 1852, Samter area
Parents married in Samter in 1850 (church record found).

Carl Julius Kluge doesn't come up in the BaSIA database.

Civil records for 1850s aren't in the catalog.

Look at digital film for Samter church records:
Maybe Catholic?


Akta zgonów 1837-1841 -- Akta urodzeń 1842-1850 -- Akta małżeństw 1842-1860 -- Akta urodzeń 1851-1860
Family History Library
International Film
1194522
8024119

Taufen 1840-1868
Family History Library
International Film
1194747
8024927

Militär Gemeinde: Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1834-1884
Family History Library
International Film
172519
Items 1-3
102469410

Taufen 1834-1875, 1834-1884 Heiraten 1834-1875, 1834-1883 Tote 1834-1875, 1834-1883 Konfirm. 1834-1883
Family History Library
International Film
72910
102469391

Or maybe Obornik ?? Not sure about this film
Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1775-1794 Heiraten, Tote 1845
Family History Library
International Film
747343
8024667

Akta małżeństw 1832-1844 Akta zgonów 1832-1856 Akta urodzeń 1845-1860 Akta małżeństw 1845-1858
Family History Library
International Film
1191165
8118456
This item is available on microfilm at this family history center.

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Looking for Filles du Roi (March 2019) Monday, December 16, 2019

Until today, I didn't have any identified filles du roi (King's Daughter) in my family ancestry. 

While looking up a random couple of ancestors in an on-line database, I saw a note that said they were descendants of a fille du roi.

The couple is Francois Courtois and Marie Josephe Roiroux dit Laliberte, married in 1756 in French Canada. 

After reading this fact and with the help of the on-line PRDH, I spent about 45 minutes searching back on each branch to identify any marriage that occurred during the filles du roi period (roughly 1663-1673). For each that did, I then compared the maternal ancestor's name to the list of filles du roi in a couple of books a) King's Daughters and Founding Mothers, The Filles du Roi, 1663-1673 by Peter J. Gagne and b) Les Filles du Roi en Nouvelle-France by Silvio Dumas.

It turns out that Marguerite Berger, Francois' grandmother, was a fille du roi from Saint-Sauveur, Ile-de-France, Paris.  She was born in 1653 to Madeleine Jeanne and Jean Berger. After her father died,  she left France for Canada, at age 19.

Marguerite first entered into a marriage contract with Jacques Buissiere. That was annulled and then she and Charles Courtois were married 9 Oct 1670 in Quebec. Her dowry was 300 livres and she received another 50 livres from the king. They lived in Lauzon and had six children.



Filles du roi are more generally known as the founding women of French Canada. They were recruited to come to French Canada by Louis XIV.

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Berns of Friemersheim, Germany (Aug 2018) Thursday, August 2, 2018

LDS Film 008110366/490207 (online digital via familysearch.org), was able to find the:
a. 1839 marriage for Herman Berns and Margaret Steinhaus.
b. 1811 marriage for Catherine Schumackers (listed as Trinken) and Diedrick Berns
c. 1816 marriage for Sibilla Halfman and Tillman Steinhaus
d. 1790 - possibly the marriage for Wilhelm der Streepen

LDS Film 490254/8110371 (online digital via familysearch.org), was able to find the:
a. 1816 birth for Herman Berns and his brother Jacob

There are films not yet digitized of the civil records which would be good to review.

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Following Rappolds/Fabers Back Further into the 1600s (Almost) (May 2018) Friday, May 11, 2018

Started by searching the familysearch catalog for any material on Michelbach an der Luecke.
The film 575068 came up with marriages for 1646-1652, 1664-1742 for Michelbach an der Luecke.

The film was digitized and thus online. Michelbach is around film page 508.
I snapped pages for Faber and Rappolds ... still need to figure out where they fit in the tree.

There were also several Ziegler entries but I did not snap those pages because I did not recognize the people.

Film title is Evangelische Kirchenbuchauszuege, 1586-1811
Author is Max Cramer from 1969.

pg 210 - Johann Georg Rappolt - death record
S.d. Beckhen, Jacob (?what does this mean)
He died in 1684
He was the servant, farm hand, apprentice, errand boy or laborer (knecht) of Jacob Beckhen
Married to Catharina Hornung daughter of deceased Leonhardt Leutzenweyler

pg 212 - Paulus Faber death record 1690
Son of the deceased Andreas gew. Beckhen
ein Wandersgesell - travelling journeyman (gesell after 3 years)
Born Beckhens from Haussen ear Franckfurth a Meyn (Frankfurt)
Wife Barbara Horner daughter of Hannss Buwerns  from Hengstfeld

page 241 marriage 22 Jul 1732 Marie Mag Rappoldt only daughter of Johann Leonhardt Becken from Wildenholtz

Johann Michael Duerr, (died in feb 4 1776 in Steinbach) youngest son of Andreas B.
Citizen and weaver in Gailroth
Mother is Ger (Ger... ?) from Michelbach

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There's another film entry Kirchenbuch, 1646-1913 for Evangelische Kirche Michelbach an der Luecke (OA Gerabronn). It is film number 1528594, 95 and 96. They have the locked camera symbol but there is also a magnifying glass that says "search the index".

When I click on this symbol, the index comes up in the family search window -- 6700 entries. The Michelbach entries start on screen 19, half way down.

There are some Kohlers on this film from the 1829-1888.
Limited search to "Michelbach" and reviewed 879 records. Nothing interesting

Many Zieglers, and a few Hessenauers show up in this film (1528594).

On film 1528592 there are taufen for 1728/Georg Michael (hard to read) and marriage for Georg Michael/1757.

Then there's a taufen for Johann Michael Rappold/1763.
We tried to find the death for Johann Michael/1785, 3 Nov, but it was not on those pages (so maybe it is mis-indexed)

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More Generations in Wronke: Nohwald/Schaulz in 1797 (May 2018) Tuesday, May 8, 2018

Before arriving at SLC/Family History Library: 
I had learned that Johann Gottlieb Norwald and Anna Rosina Schmidt were the parents of Wilhelmine Norwald. I wanted to see if I could find the birth record for Johann Gottlieb Norwald -- assuming he was from Wronke.

Upon arrival: 
Since I didn't know Johann Gottlieb's birth day -- I assumed he was born in the 1790s. (He is listed as being 25 years old in 1824) on his marriage certificate. I checked for the Wronke films in the LDS holdings - the first I viewed (on-line) was 8025857 (1778-1794). He was not listed.

Then Maria/Polish researcher showed me how to use BaSIA. (WAS: losttoolbox.pl; IS: http://www.basia.famula.pl/en/)
There was an index for the births - and a person as listed as "Gottlieb Nowald, born 1797".

I was able to find the record. (this should also be on film 8025858, Wronke baptisms for 1795 to 18xx). (update: looks like it was on film 8025857, part 2)

From the record, I learned that Johann Gottlieb's parents are Christoph Nohwald (an inn keeper of some sort) and Anna Maria Schaulz(in).  Johann Gottlieb was born on 23 May 1797 and baptized on 25 May 1797.

Sources Summary:
Kirchenbuch, 1778-1874 LDS film # 8025857, Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1778, 1794 -- Taufen 1794-1835 for Evan. church Samter, Posen, Prussia

Kirchenbuch, 1778-1874 LDS film # 8025858, Heiraten 1795-1838 -- Tote 1794-1819 -- Taufen, Tote 1818 -- Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1821-1823, 1825-1826, 1838-1841 for Evan. church Samter, Posen, Prussia.

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Michael Kraska -- Re-tracing research (May 2018)

Previously, we had found WWI draft reg and WWII draft reg cards for Authur Kraska indicating he was from Bergfriede. In looking in Kartenmeister.com -- there are many Bergfriede towns.

Then we received a copy of church book page -- reportedly to be from Germany, Preußen, Ostpreußen, Groß Schmückwalde.

This visit: 
I looked up this village in Kartenmeister.com ... and received the following results:

German NameGroß Schmückwalde
Alternate Name 1:Groß Schmigwalde 1820 >
Alternate Name 2:Schmigwalde 1785 >
Alternate Name 3:Schmückwalde 1912 >
Alternate Name 4:Smickinwalde 1332 >
Polish/Russian NameSzmykwald
Kreis/CountyOsterode
German ProvinceOstpreussen
Today's ProvinceWarminsko-Mazurskie
LocationEast 19°54' North 53°37'
Google MapGoogle Maps (Groß Schmückwalde)
Map Number2385
Location DescriptionThis village/town is located 2.9 km and 252 degrees from Seubersdorf, which is known today as Brzydowo
Lutheran ParishGroß Schmückwalde 1905
Catholic ParishOsterode 1905
Standesamt/Civil RegistryRöschken 1905
Gemeindelexikon/Town IndexI-27-185
Population By Year/Einwohner1820: 186
1905: 253
1939: 611
RemarksShows in 1785 28 Feuerstellen and is classified as: Adelich Vorwerk und Bauerdorf mit einer Kirche, mater von Peterswalde ; nebst 2 Neusaaaßen. In 1820 20 Feuerstellen and is classified as: Adlich Dorf und Vorwerk. First mentioned in 1332.
ChurchYes
When I mapped this against possible "Bergfriede" towns ... these two are only seven miles apart (by car) from each other.
German NameBergfriede
Polish/Russian NameSamborowo
Kreis/CountyOsterode
German ProvinceOstpreussen
Today's ProvinceWarminsko-Mazurskie
LocationEast 19°49' North 53°40'
Google MapGoogle Maps (Bergfriede)
Map Number2384
Location DescriptionThis village/town is located 10.3 km and 248 degrees from Osterode, which is known today as Ostroda
Lutheran ParishD
Population By Year/Einwohner1936: 937
RemarksFor additional information see: Bergfriede, Adlig
The film #904724 Kirchenbuchduplikat, 1823-1870, Author: Evangelische Kirche Groß Schmückwalde (Kr. Osterode) happened to be on-line. I tried to go to the section for 1863 (the info from cousin was Michael Kraska was born Oct 25, 1863, baptized Nov 1, 1863). But the year 1863 is missing from the on-line version of this film (rats!).

Need to pull up on the microfilm reader the actual microfilm #1198647 (specifically: Taufen (baptisms) 1864-1875 (r. S.) Taufen 1864-1875 (l. S.) Heiraten 1831-1875 (r. S.) Heiraten 1831-1875 (l. S.). -- B3480 links (left side?) as read from the emailed snapped page.

Main title: Kirchenbuch, 1741-1875  Author: Evangelische Kirche Groß Schmückwalde (Kr. Osterode)

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Louis Goetz - 1896 Passport Application Clue (May 2018) Monday, May 7, 2018

Finding the village from which Louis Goetz came is proving to challenging.

At the end of the last visit, from the Trinity Church book records -- In very small print, it is noted that Heinrich's father is Wilhelm Goetz from Sachen-Gotha, and Christine's father is Jakob Heizmann from Wuerttemberg. (US film 954974)

Within five minutes of arrival - I went on FamilySearch.org and searched on "Louis Goetz".
A new record (or one I overlooked) was his passport application from 1896. More importantly were the following facts:

"I was born at Ober Mallia in Saxony" in "Germany" "30 August 1836". I sailed "from Bremen" on "March 1853".

Then I spoke with the librarians to see if they could help translate Ober Mallia into Germany.
Their best guess is "Obermehler".

From Meyers Gazetteer -- Obermehler is located in Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha.

Unfortunately, there are no fiche from this town at LDH. The librarians suggested I email a researcher who can go to the Landeskirchenarchiv eisenach located here.

Christian-Hoske.de -- email sent May 2018
(Update 2020: search info from Christian came up with the wrong ancestor - so need to do further research via a different method. Good excuse to go on a trip to Germany.)

I also looked at the Map Guide to German Parish Registers - Thuringia.
The Obermehler area is located in the Duchy of Saxe-Gotha -- Landratsamt Gotha.
There is no LDS microfiche listed for this area.

References:
1. https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/20374051

2. https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Alouis~%20%2Bsurname%3Agoetz~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1836-1836~

3. http://www.landeskirchenarchiv-eisenach.de/

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Kluge / Nowald in Samter, Posnan (2017) Monday, May 8, 2017

Update Post Visit/June-July 2017 -- following the Schmidt line
Went to local family history center to look further at the film #764068/Samter, since it is digitized and on-line. The earliest records on this film are from 1783.  So I started there since I don't have any birth dates for Anna Rosina nor Johann Gottlieb Norwald.  Eventually, on page 60, there was a birth record for Anna Rosina Schmidt, from Samter, born 1801 28 March. Her parents are Georg Schmidt and Maria Kuehn.

Here's what I can make out.
Anna Rosina was born on 28th Marz, baptized on 7th April
Father: Georg Schmidt, is a resident (einwonher) and blacksmith (Schmidt) in Samter. Some note w/ the words "regiment" and "company" like he was in the Army at one time?
He was a muskateer.

Mother: Maria Schmidt born Kuehn

1st witness: Young lady (jung frau) Rosina Schultz daughter of a brandy wine brewer in Samter
2nd witness: George Fritz citizen and blacksmith in Samter
3rd witness:  Mertin Mietzer is a citizen and clothmaker in Samter

If you look at the opposite page, #23, you can see there's a resident that's a medical apothecary. And not shown on these pages, but there are many people listed with the profession "tobacco planter" (toback planteur).

On other pages, there was one sister (of Anna Rosina) Anna Maria Schmidt, born 1804. This may have been the event that also killed our ancestor Maria Kuehn as Georg Schmidt has 2 other children with Eva Rosina Webern in 1805 and 1808 (pages 107 and 133).

Georg Schmidt may also have a brother Johann Friedrich Schmidt, married to Maria Elisabeth Kruger(n). They show up in the same church records having several children around the same time as Georg.

Also, there's another film listed in the LDS library catalog called "military city/post" .... so maybe there was a military base of some type near Samter.  It is only in film version, so will have to look at it next time I go to Salt Lake City.

Here's a link to Meyer's Gazatteer http://www.meyersgaz.org/place/20672054 for Samter.

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Pre-Visit Info:
Christopher Kluge and Wilhelmina Nowald were married in 1850 in Samter, Posnan (from Posnan Project on-line database).

Next steps : Look up village of Samter, Posnan in the red books to verify the church parish.
Then look at films for Christopher Kluge and Wilhelmina Nowald marriage in 1850.

Day Two Visit/Monday Info
Looked up Samter in Map Guide to German Parish Registers (Posnan II). It belongs to Samter parish.
Then looked up Samter in the familysearch.org, intl film 1194748 which was online (woo hoo, no microfilm reader required). (Red books also list intl film #764068 as being from Samter).

Then found entry page 242 - first page of 1850 marriages (in 10 minutes, found this instead of an hour when using microfilm)

Christoph and Wilhelmine are in the 3rd entry.
Rough translation from their entry is:

10th Feb 1850, evangelical church, Christopher Kluge from Niemieczkowo (parish: Obornik) and Wilhelmine Nowald from Twardowo (parish: Samter)

Wilhelmine's father Gottfried (or Gottlieb) is already deceased. Her guardian gives his ok for her to marry Christoph. Wilhelmine is the oldest daughter (24 years old). 

Christoph is 30 years old and a widower. He may have lived in the town of Rogasen (par: Obornik) since this is mentioned in the record from which Christoph received the approval to marry Wilhelmine.

Below is an entry for the potential father and mother of Wilhelmine, from the Posnan Project. We now know she was the oldest daughter. (since confirmed these are the parents).

Protestant community Wronki [Wronke]entry 4 / 1824

  • Johann Gottlieb Nowald (25 years old)  100%
  • Anna Rosina Schmidt (26 years old) 
Day Three Visit/Wednesday Info
From film for Wronke, parish Wronke #764499, I found the marriage record for Johann and Anna. They were both in residence in the parish/city of Wronke. Johann was a blacksmith. All parents were deceased at the time of the marriage.

I then assumed that Wilhelmina was born in Wronke, being the oldest child. I found her birth record on film 764498, confirming this! Note in record says she was born in the town of Biezdrowo, near Wronke.

Next steps:
1. Look for another marriage for Christoph Kluge in the Poznan project (maybe within the dates of that database). Here's a possible entry (except we'd expect Christoph to be younger than 30yrs old):

Protestant community Pniewy [Pinne]entry 3 / 1848

  • Christoph Kluge (30 years old)  100%
  • Anna Louise Grieger (20 years old) 
    father: Christoph Grieger
2. Look for marriage of Christoph's parent (Georg is father) in Poznan project
Here are some choices:

Protestant community Krotoszyn [Krotoschin]entry 3 / 1815

  • Georg Kluge (25 years old)  100% 
    father: Matthias Kluge +
  • Anna Rosina Zobke (21 years old) 
    father: Christian Zobke

Protestant community Sieraków [Zirke]entry 18 / 1817

  • Georg Kluge (21 years old)  100% 
    father: Christoph Kluge
  • Louise Schaerfchen alias Schulz (33 years old, widow
    Additional information: Wittwe George Schaerschen
LDS specialist told me that most often the marriage was held in the town of the bride.

3. Maybe "Justine Kluge, b. 1844" is a child from Christoph's first marriage ... look for her is US records and Posnan records.

4. Looking in BaSIA for these folks, but most of the towns from which they came, records have not been indexed that far back yet.

Sources:
Kirchenbuch, 1783-1874, LDS film #764068, Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1783-1821 -- Tote 1807-1821 -- Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1820-1821 for Evan. church Samter, Posen, Prussia.

Kirchenbuch, 1783-1874, LDS film #1194748, Taufen 1868-1874 -- Heiraten 1822-1827, 1841-1874 -- Tote 1822-1831 for Evan. church Samter, Posen, Prussia

Kirchenbuch, 1778-1874, LDS film #764498, Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1778, 1794 -- Taufen 1794-1835 for Evan. church Samter, Posen, Prussia

Kirchenbuch, 1778-1874, LDS film #764499, Heiraten 1795-1838 -- Tote 1794-1819 -- Taufen, Tote 1818 -- Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1821-1823, 1825-1826, 1838-1841 for Evan. church Samter, Posen, Prussia

Meyer's Gazatteer http://www.meyersgaz.org/place/20672054 for Samter.

Posen Project http://poznan-project.psnc.pl/index.php?lang=en

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Louis Goetz - Looking in Ortssippenbuchen / Church Books (2017)

Day Two/Tuesday
Continuing work on tips from last visit, I want to look at the ortssippenbuch -- village of Eichstetten.
Title: Ortsfamilienbuch Eichstetten : Eichstetten am Kaiserstuhl, 1644-1900

Call Number: 943 B4do ser. A v. 309

Due to the fact that more records have been indexed, may want to look in Ancestry Intl again.

Day Three/Wednesday
Spent part of the day looking for Goetz in Baden.

Day Four/Thursday
Went back to Trinity Church records, I re-located the marriage record for Heinrich Fred. Ludwig Goetz and Christiane Heizmann.

In very small print, it is noted that Heinrich's father is Wilhelm Goetz from Sachen-Gotha, and Christine's father is Jakob Heizmann from Wuerttemberg. (US film 954974)

Looked thru all the Germans to America (1861-1850) at Goetz and Gotz but did not find any reference that looked relevant.

After Visit 
Looked at notes again from 2016. Looks like we might know the brother and sister of Ludwig Goetz. Need to verify.

Also, in familysearch, someone has listed Barbara Schwartz, Steinmauern, Baden, as the mother of Ludwig Goetz. Would need to locate the church record to confirm. Film 1046271 would be a good one to look at.

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Ziegler/Koehler Families ... the Search Continues in Liebesdorf (2017) Sunday, May 7, 2017

Follow-up in July 2017
A tip from a cousin led me to a roots web site for a database with the Church books of Göppingen beginning in 1808. While Goeppingen is a little ways away from Ruppertshofen, I was able to find some useful information on Christian Fred's sister - Maria Barbara Ziegler. I knew she was married to Johann Andreas Arnold - but I learned that she moved to Ilshofen (south of Ruppertshofen) and had 6 children (including names and birth dates).  Maria died at the age of 68 in 1894.

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Before I left for Salt Lake, I reviewed the info I had on my second great-grandfather, Christian Fred Ziegler, and second great-grandmother, Anna Maria Kohler.

Pre-visit Info
At the last visit, I learned:
1. Johann Georg Ziegler family (my 3rd ggfather) (#236) is from Ruppertshofen, Gerabronn, Germany, born Oct 1788.
1a. Father: Johann Georg Ziegler (Sr) is Georg's father
1b. Mother: Eva Margarita
2. Confirmed my 3rd ggmother's name is Carolina Barbara Stegmaier, also from Ruppertshofen, born 25 Jan 1801.
2a. Johann Georg Stegmaier, born 1768
2b. Anna Catherina

Here is a copy of the Johann Georg Ziegler family (#236) register from Ruppertshofen (Christian Fred is the third child of the children on this record).



Here is a copy of the marriage record for our few times ggrandmother Carolina Barbara Stegmaier to Johann Georg Ziegler (2nd entry down on the left). Her father is Johann Georg Heinrich Stegmaier, mother is Anna Catherina Hessenauer.

Johann Georg's father is Johann Georg and his mother is Eva Margaretha Rappold(tin).


So, now I want to trace these ancestors back farther and make good copies of the associated church records to answer a) how far back can I find family records? b) did they always live in Ruppertshofen?

Films to check for 1a, 1b and 2a and 2b.
1528606 Items 1-3 FamilyRegisters
1528604 Births, marriages ... 1600s to 1842

Other facts:
From FHL film: Ziegler family #s are 541, 144, 244, 402, 274, 408, 433 (144 might be the most interesting) (see hand note IMG3290), maybe family 174 contains father?

From familysearch: Zieglers in many towns nearby. For example:
Birkenlohe, Schrozberg, Wiesenbach , Brekingen, Hohengehren, Neuselhalden
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Day One Visit / Saturday Info
3. I haven't figured out the village for Anna Maria Koehler, born 14 May 1829.
Research steps:
1. looked in the WEI again (v. 5) -- verified that there's an entry "Rosina Kohler" application date May 1857 (no birth date in the WEI), from Liesbesdorf, Gerabronn
2. Looked up Liesbesdorf in the red books - to find that Liesbesdorf is part of Michelbach an der Heide church district.
3. Looked up Michelbach an der Heide in Family History library catalog (Liesbesdorf not in there).
4. Looked at 3 different films for Michelbach an der Heide (1528593, 1528594, 1528592).
5. Found 2 family registers for Kohler families in Liesbesdorf (Librarian later showed me a lot of this in now on Ancestry international version).
6. The two families are related: father/son.

Family 375: (Image 3973)
Johann Leonhardt Koehler b 1806, Liesbesdorf
+ Maria Catherina Barbara b 1803
Kids: 
Rosina Barbara b 1832, d 1832
Rosina Margaretha b 1833 (went to America) (our ancestor? == maybe her name is Rosina Maria (?))
Margaretha Barbara b 1835, d 1835
Margaretha Barbara b 1836 (went to America 1859)
Johann #1 b 1839, d 1840
Johann Michael b 1841
Catherina Margaretha b 1844
Notes on record say: took over house of family 374; family went to America in 1860.

Here is the top and bottom half of the Kohler family church register (#375).




7. Found Kohler family in WEI; entry just says Johann Kohler and family.
8. In looking on Ancestry, international addition, found a Baltimore ship record for the family in 1860, listing:
Leonard (56 yrs)
Barbara (54 yrs)
Johann (18 yrs) - so the math isn't exactly correct per the church book
Margaretha (16 yrs) - so the math isn't exactly correct per the church book

How to prove or disprove this Rosina Margareta, b 1833 in Liesbesdorf, is our ancestor?
Step 1 is to look up her emigration application. The record is indexed in Ancestry, but the image is not there - so go to film.
- Rosina Koehler from Liesbesdorf (Gerabronn), app date May 22, 1857 #FHL intl film 573623 and Rosina Kohler from Michelbach an der Heide (Gerabronn) intl film 573632

Day Two Visit / Monday Info
From the file 573623, was able to find the entries for Fred Ziegler (entry 86, 14 Oct 1857) and Rosina Margaretha Koehler (entry 46, 22 May 1857).

It then took several hours to find Rosina Margaretha's detailed emigration record on film 573632.
The info on her record says the following (generally): 

Rosina Margareta Kohler in Liesbesdorf

Regarding the request of the single woman

The following is declared first
1. Still missing some info, primarily that she has agreed to emigrate

2. Sponsors at baptism (?) was a shoemaker (Mr. Stank), he will take care of any obligations she leaves behind.
He will also carry the cost for a place to stay and 2 days in hotel

3. Her father, according to guardianship protocol 108, will also pay. He is able to pay.

4. With respect to emigration and release of subject of nobility, (women is not a citizen):

No objections.

5. The immigrant receives from her father 150 franks in cash for travel cost.

Signed the Village council

22 Mai 1857

In Mai 1857, 24 yrs old, has permission of father, shoemaker to immigrate to North America and release from the Wuerttemberg state. The single Rosina has been granted.


Next steps: Look up applications for Rosina's sister and family. Verify tape numbers in WEI.

To find Liesbesdorf on google.com/maps, type in "Liesbesdorf, Gerabronn, Germany"

You'll be directed to an intersection of the L1037, K2515 and the L1041. If you zoom in, you'll see that one of the rivers is the Michelbach River.

Day Three Visit / Wednesday Info
I decided to verify some of the translating I did on the Ziegler family records using familysearch.org and ancestryinstitution.com.

1. 1780s
Johann Georg Ziegler (3rd ggrand-father) is from Rot am See
wife Carolina Barbara Stegmaier is from Ruppertshofen

2a. 1750s
Johann Georg Ziegler's mother, Eva Margarita Rappold was from Michelbach an der Heide
Eva's parents are Georg Michael Rappold and Maria Margaretha.

2b. Carolina Stegmaier's father, Johann Georg Heinrich, was an innkeeper from Ruppertshofen.
His wife, Carolina's mother was Anna Catherina Hessenauer, also from Ruppertshofen.

YouTube video of Ruppertshofen

Gerabronn was the county seat in the 1800s. some good post cards here
No Wiki page for Ruppertshofen. But here's one for Gerabronn.

Get the scoop - read on!

Reaching Back Further in Posen (2016) Friday, June 3, 2016

I was thinking about how I could use the Posen/Poznan database further for researching the Kluge and Nowald names ...


Since I have a potential data point:
Father of Christoph Kluge (b. 1819) = Georg Kluge ... let me look for Georg Kluge (b. circa 1780s-1790s) in this database.

I came up with 9 matches. Of those, only 3 have marriage dates occurring before the birth of Christoph (1819).

Protestant community Zdunyentry 16 / 1800

  • Johann Georg Kluge (26 years old)  100%
  • Dorothea Elisabeth Hoffman (21 years old) 
    father: Christian Gottfried Hoffman +

Protestant community Zdunyentry 13 / 1800

  • Georg Kluge (24 years old)  100%
  • Anna Marie Elisabeth Grätze (23 years old) 
    father: Georg Grätze +

Protestant community Sieraków [Zirke]entry 18 / 1817

  • Georg Kluge (21 years old)  100% 
    father: Christoph Kluge
  • Louise Schaerfchen alias Schulz (33 years old, widow
    Additional information: Wittwe George Schaerschen
This last record looks the most promising.
So now we have:

Georg Kluge (b. 1796) (father Christoph Kluge b. circa 1770s)
+ Louise Schulz (m. 1817)
Children
i. Christoph Kluge b. 1819

Now, look up marriage of Louise Schulz to George Schaerschen to find any further info on her (like father). Nothing came up in the search. Note, this database only goes to 1800. They could have been married before 1800 altho then she'd be 15 years old or less.

Now, looking up marriage of any other "Christoph Kluge", around 1790s? (If so, then not in the database).

What about Wilhelmine Norwald's parents?
Wilhelmine was born circa 1825 - parents' marriage could be around that time.

Now, looking up "Nowald" male spouse last name.

Catholic parish Rokitno [Rokitten]entry 2 / 1802

  • Bernardus Nowald (28 years old)  100%
  • Marianna Elisabeth Obertinn (38 years old, widow

Catholic parish Rokitno [Rokitten]entry 1 / 1807

  • Bernardus Nowald (widower 100%
  • Anna Marianna Karginn 

Protestant community Wronki [Wronke]entry 4 / 1824

  • Johann Gottlieb Nowald (25 years old)  100%
  • Anna Rosina Schmidt (26 years old) 
The first two entries seem too early.
So then the Johann Gottlieb Nowald m. Anna Rosina Schmidt might be a good guess.

There's also this entry in the same town as the marriage of Christoph and Wilhelmine.

Protestant community Szamotuły [Samter]entry 4 / 1804

  • Matthias Nowak (30 years old)  77%
  • Caroline Griebsch (19 years old) 
    father: Andreas Griebsch


Get the scoop - read on!

Next Steps Last Day of Trip (2016) Sunday, May 22, 2016

For 5/23/2016, Focus on the following:
1. Anna Maria (Rosina?) Kohler (look again at W Emigration Index, vol 5).
Possibly from Liebesdorf / Michelbach an der Heide parish 1528592 Items 8-11
and family reg in 1528593


Update: looked at these during 2017 trip. See other post for details.

2. Look at W Emigration Index for Heinrich Friedrick Ludwig Goetz (in US by 1861; 16 Sep 1858? possibly from Baden-Baden)

Le Harve ship record says Baden
In looking in Baden emigration records on ancestry, 
a Gotz person from Balzhofen, Buehl, Baden

Update: looked at Detroit Trinity Church record again. Goetz from Sachen-Gotha area. 

3. Look at Freedom Moravian Church records for Kluge marriage 28 Sep 1873 1392658 Items 1 - 4
What town is Christof Kluge from?


Updated: Found marriage record for Christoph in Samter, Posnan.

4. Goetsch: Kurow tape 1496969 Items 3-5; or look up obits for Goetsch?

Wilhelm R Goetsch 1 Sep 1868 to America (look on ancestry at US Natl recs?)
Michigan death cert says: Berbero, Germany (16 Mar 1922)

Get the scoop - read on!

Ziegler/Koehler Leads - the Search Continued (2016) Friday, May 20, 2016

Before I left for Salt Lake, I reviewed the info I had on my second great-grandfather, Christian Fred Ziegler, and second great-grandmother, Anna Maria Kohler.

Pre-visit Info
Names, birth dates, parents names, sibling and origin info

Christian Fredrich Ziegler, (goes by Fred)
b. 29 Dec 1831,
Georg Ziegler (mayor) and Rosa Steckmeyer,
1 older brother and 1 older sister,
Stuttgart area, something that sounded like "Gerbum" village
Note: before I left, I also determined that "Steckmeyer" might really be written "Stegmaier"
Anna Maria Kohler,
b. 14 May 1829,
Otto and Lena Kohler,
2 older sisters,
"nearby" Hall area

Date of emigration/ship crossing
Sep/Oct 1857, arriving in New York

Thursday Search Steps
I went directly to the first basement, B1, the International floor and got to work.

Wurttemberg Emigration Index (WEI): I had previously looked in the Index, both in Ancestry and in the hard copy books. I knew there were several Fred and Christian Ziegler entries listed without birth dates. So the challenge was to figure out which of those entries was our ancestor (or maybe none of them).

A volunteer at the Family History Library (FHL) reminded me that I needed to look in all 8 volumes of the index since I wasn't sure from which area within Wurttemberg he came.  I identified the following 2 entries in volume 5 as possibilities due to the names, and dates and thought Gerabronn could sound like Gerbum.

- Friedrich Ziegler from Ruppertshofen (Gerabronn), application date Sep 1857 #FHL intl film 573632
- Rosina Koehler from Liesbesdorf (Gerabronn), app date May 1857 #FHL intl film 573623

Map Guide to German Parish Registers, Kingdom of Wurttemberg (MGW):
The FHL volunteer then suggested I look in the Wurttemberg Gazetteer. One volume contained the master town index. I looked up Ruppertshofen and Liesbesdorf in the index and traced them to the MGW for Jagstkreis (vol 1). Both villages are in the oberamt (town) of Gerabronn (as indicated in the WEI). Ruppertshofen is in its own parish of Ruppertshofen and Liebesdorf is in the parish of Michelbach an der Heide parish.

Friday Search Steps
Wurttemberg Emigration Applications:
I  looked up the actual emigration application FHL intl film numbers for both entries I had "guessed" on Thursday since they didn't seem to be obvious answers. I picked out the first intl film (#572632) from the vault. It was very difficult to read the handwriting. I wasn't sure how the film was organized, so I just started scanning through the applications as fast as I could apply some reasonable pattern matching for "Christian" or "Friedrich" or "Ziegler".

With some luck, I managed to find an application that was from Ruppertshofen and had "Ziegler" on it. I brought it to the volunteer and together we determined it was a list of conditions to be met before emigration. Other than the name "Andreas Ziegler" (I was guessing a brother or other close relative) there wasn't really any other usable information.

Since the application was so hard to read and didn't provide any new info for determining the village, I decided not to look for Rosina Kohler's application at that time and instead move onto the church records for Ruppertshofen.

Ruppertshofen, Gerabronn Lutheran Church Records:
There are two film reels ranging from 1555 (!) to 1986 (!) with the typical baptism, marriage and death entries. Then there are two film reels with family registers from 1555-1986. I figured if I could find the family register with Christian Fred, bro, sis and parents I'd be in good shape. So I loaded onto the film reader intl film # 1528605 which had some of the family registers at the end - and tried to go to those pages. (These films are the reel to reel tapes that you have to hand crank -- so it takes time to navigate the various sections of the film, esp. when German isn't your first language). I couldn't see any relevant family register with Christian Fred Ziegler or family members listed. (BUMMER!)

Note: when I first looked up the Ruppertshofen film in the FHL catalog, Ruppertshofen came up in 2 different parishes (Gaildorf and Gerabronn). I had to go back and check my work to determine that I should go with the Ruppertshofen/Gerabronn (matching the listing in WEI).

I was about to give up and started to slowly rewind the film, just stopping at various pages to see if I could identify anything. I happened to stop in the confirmation section (on a record that was more easily readable) -- year 1845 and saw the record had "Christian Friedrich Ziegler, b. 29 Jan 1831; father Johann Georg Ziegler, Carolina Barabara geb. Stegmeier" ... and thought "OMG, that might be our ancestor."

After lunch, I decided to look at one of the intl films #1528604 with baptisms in the range 1831. I carefully scanned through all of 1831, 1830 and 1829 and didn't see any Ziegler entry. Then I started scanning earlier since we know Christian Fred had an older brother and sister. I was able to locate the record for a Maria Barbara Ziegler b. 14 Nov 1825.  I noticed in the margin the family number "236" so I started looking for other entries with this number. That's how I was able to find the brother Johann Andreas  b. 6 Dec 1822 and finally Christian Friedrich b. 29 Jan 1831. Woo hoo!! I had to find and check the family register to make sure 236 was the correct Ziegler family since there were many Zieglers on these films.

I finally found a family register index on one of the film reels with relevant entries for
- Stegmayer families #173 (Christian's mother's father/mother),
- Ziegler families (# many) #236 (Christian's father/mother),
- Ziegler family #244 (Andreas Z married).

Saturday Steps
I went back over the film reels on Saturday to make sure I was interpreting everything correctly and tried to take a few photos of the different relevant pages for reference.

What was surprising or different from the info we had at the outset?
1. Excellent to pretty definitively know that this family is from Ruppertshofen, Gerabronn area.
2. Christian Fred's mother's name appears to be Carolina Barbara (not Rosina); she has a sister named Rosina.
3. This seems to be an error in the confirmation - as C Fred's birthday in the family register is 29 Dec 1831. (Christian Fred's birth date appears to be 29 Jan (not Dec) 1831.)
4. Good to learn the sister's and brother's info
5. Good to validate that C Fred's father's name is Georg, his mother's surname is Stegmaier and learn their birth, marriage and death dates.
6. In the family register, it indicates the marriage dates (both 1850) and surnames of the spouses for C Fred's brother Johann Andreas (Mach) and sister Maria Barbara (xx) but there's no such indication for C Fred (meaning he didn't get married in Germany?)
7. There's a notation next to C Fred's name in the family register indicating he went to North America in 1857.
8. Learned C Fred's Stegmaier grandparents' names (Johann Georg Stegmaier and Anna Catharina).
9. In the confirmation record, I believe it says C Fred's father was an administrator (pointing to the info we have about being a mayor later in life?)
10. Did a quick search in familysearch.org on "Ziegler in Ruppertshofen" and many Zieglers showed up in Gerabronn - so there's a bunch of families to pick thru there at a later time.

Records of which I have a copy now:
- Christian Fred Ziegler emigration application FHL intl film #573632, 2 pages
From Ruppertshofen Gerabronn FHL intl films #1528604, #1528605, #1528606
- Christian Fred, Maria Barbara, Johann Andreas Ziegler baptismal records
- Christian Fred Ziegler confirmation
- Johann Georg Ziegler (Christian Fred's father) family register (family 236)
- Johann Andreas Ziegler  (Christian Fred's brother) family register (family 244)
- Johann Stegmaier (Christian F's mother, Carolina Barabara)  family register (family 174) (fuzzy photo-need to retake)
- Need Rosina Mach (wife of Andreas Ziegler) family 111

--- References ---
1. Kirchenbuch, 1555-1986 , Evangelische Kirche Ruppertshofen (OA. Gerabronn) FHL intl film #1528605 Heiraten (u. Orte) 1842-1953 Tote 1795-1957 Konfirmation 1842-1986 Familienregister u. Index (u. Orte)
2. Kirchenbuch, 1555-1986 , Evangelische Kirche Ruppertshofen (OA. Gerabronn) FHL intl film #1528604
3. Kirchenbuch, 1555-1986 , Evangelische Kirche Ruppertshofen (OA. Gerabronn) FHL intl film #1528606.
4. Map guide to German parish registers vol 1 (Jagstkreis), and master index volume (books)
5. Wuerttemberg emigration index volumes 1-8 (books)
6. Auswanderungsakten Gerabronn (Württemberg). Oberamt, 1818-1870 (Wuerttemberg emigration applications) intl film #573632


----Notes from research days----
Update 5/22:
Generally from the town of Gerabronn (Wiki link) (DE link - nice paintings from late 1800s)
Update 5/21: Looked up the tapes for Ruppertshofen -
1528605 has some of the family registers at the end - tried to go there.
Didn't see Christine Fred listed.
Was about to give up, but stopped in the confirmation section -- year 1831 and saw a record that has "Christian Friedrich Ziegler, b. 29 Jan 1831; father Johann Georg Ziegler, mother geb. Stegmeier" ... so might be him.
Getting a different tape after lunch (1528604 has baptisms from 1831).
Looked up Ruppertshofen (town) to see its part of Gerabronn.
Looked up the actual application for Friedrich Ziegler in Ruppertshofen. No additional info (very hard to read).
Update 5/20 - In looking at the Wuerttemberg Emigration Index, there are entries for
- Friedrich Ziegler from Ruppertshofen (Gerabronn), app date Sep 1857 #573632
- Rosina Koehler from Liesbesdorf (Gerabronn), app date May 1857 #573623
Look up these towns in the Gazetteer.

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More on Christof Kluge (2016) Wednesday, May 18, 2016

Before I left for Salt Lake, I reviewed the info I had on my third great-grandfather, Christof Kluge and third great-grandmother, Wilhelmina Norwald.

Pre-visit Info
Names, birth dates, parents names, sibling and origin info

Christof Kluge,
b. 17 Oct 1819 in Treskowo, Posen, Prussia (now Poland)

Emigrated on Ship: Electric
From: Hamburg
To: New York
Arrived: 20 June 1865 with his wife and children

Wilhelmina Norwald
b. 8 Jan 1825 in ?? Posen

Carl Julius Kluge (son) (2nd great-grandfather)
b. abt 1852 in Prussia

Carl's siblings at emigration date:
Justine, Wilhelm Johannes, Pauline, August Ferdinand, Johannes Friedrich

Christof's father Georg Kluge

Christiana Dobler (father Johannes Dobler, mother Anna Marie Hubschneider) married Carl Kluge at Freedom Moravian Chruch, Freedom, WI.

Christina's parents Johann Dobler and Anna Marie Hubschneider are buried at the Freedom Moravian Church Cemetery.

Thursday Search Steps
kartenmeister.com
The first goal was to determine where Treskowo was located. A volunteer told me about a German/Polish placename mapping website. So I went there and entered Treskowo. This is the entry.
German NameTreskowo, Vorwerk
Polish/Russian NameMore Research Needed
Kreis/CountyPosen-Ost
German ProvincePosen
Today's ProvinceWielkopolskie
LocationEast 17°01' North 52°32'
Google MapGoogle Maps (Treskowo, Vorwerk)
Map Number68
Location DescriptionThis village/town is located 3.6 km and 56 degrees from Treskau, which is known today as Owinsk
Lutheran ParishMurowana Goslin, Kreis Obornik 1905
Catholic ParishOwinsk 1905
Standesamt/Civil RegistryOwinsk 1905
Gemeindelexikon/Town IndexV-27-101
Population By Year/Einwohner1905: 88

Map Guide to German Parish Registers, Kingdom of Prussia, Province of Posen II, Regierungsbezirk Posen (MGPosen)
Next, I looked in the (MGPosen) index and traced Treskowo to 2 potential Lutheran counties Kreis Posen Ost  and Stadtkreis Posen, and Kreis Obornik. So now from the kartenmeister.com and the MGPosen, I have all these names of areas for which Treskowo could be part.  Murowana Goslin is shown in the Kreis Obornik area. At this point, I wasn't feeling too confident about the village name (I couldn't remember where I had gotten the name because I had a bunch of sources listed in my database and didn't have time to go back to each one to verify).

Monday Search Steps
Hamburg Passenger Lists
I spoke with the FHL volunteer. She asked "did your ancestor come thru Hamburg to New York?" I said he did. She indicted I should look at the Hamburg passenger list record in ancestry.com because the place of origin would be listed there. In the Hamburg passenger list record for C. Kluge, there was a full listing of the family members and their place of origin (Treskowo)!

Note: I had a listing in my research from Germans to America Lists of Passengers Arriving at U.S. Ports Vol 16 November 1864-November 1865 book with a partial listing of the family (I wasn't sure if it was the correct Kluge family) but no place of origin was listed.

Moravian Church, Freedom Wisconsin Records
We have the marriage certificate for Carl Kluge and Christiane Dobler (1873) and baptismal certificate for Rose Amelia Kluge (1878). They both list this church as the place of the events. Therefore, I wanted to look at the marriage record to see if Carl's or Christina's place of birth is listed. From the FHL catalog, the records were on US and Canada film #1392658.

I was able to locate the marriage record. Carl was listed as being from "Prussia" and Christiane from "Wuerttemberg" - while these aid in general confirmation, not as good as specific villages or towns. I had the volunteer look at the record. I asked if the mother's maiden name was "Nowack". She said, "yes, that's a typical spelling".  There's also a Wilhelm Kluge listed as one of the witnesses (?) (need translation)

Gazetteer of the Kingdom of Prussia (v5 Posen Province)
I reported to the German native FHLvolunteer that the Kluges were from Treskowo, Posen. She quickly pulled out this book, went to the index and said "27, 101". Then turned to this page labeled "27, Kreis Posen Ost" and scanned to line numbered 101. "Yep," she said, "see this footnote - Treskowo is included with this town. Let's look up Treskowo/Murowana Goslina in the FHL catalog." So we did. But then there were no Lutheran church films available for the time periods for which I was looking (e.g., 1819, 1825, 1852ish). The volunteer said "hey, wait a minute .." and went back to the gazetteer. "There were only 4 Lutherans in this town! So maybe your family was Catholic. Let's look at the Catholic film."

Księgi metrykalne, 1603-1949, Kościół rzymsko-katolicki. Parafja Murowana Goślina (Oborniki)
There were 7 films in the record. The descriptions are in Polish! But I see 2 that have dates in the 1800 range.  I also went to the FHL Info desk and asked if anyone could help me read Polish. They gave me a pager. In the meantime, I went and pulled the 2 intl films from the vault. 

Of course by this time, it was only about 1/2 hour until I needed to leave the library to go to the airport - rats!! Pretty much as soon as I had the first film loaded on the reader, my pager buzzed. I went back to the desk and a volunteer with whom I had worked on Friday was there. She was super knowledgeable! The film turned out to be in Latin (since Catholic records). It was slow going to try and pick thru 1819 and 1852 for "Kluge". We weren't successful, but only spent about 20 minutes searching. There is a large index on this film too. The volunteer suggested looking at the small print under the special 42x or 64x magnification film readers next time I'm in town.

FHL Green Handout on Polish Research
Several people over the course of the visit recommended I speak w/ "Marie Eppich", the FHL Polish research expert. She was not there any of the days but I was able to take a photo of the "FHL green handout on Polish research". Apparently this info is also on the familysearch.org Wiki for Polish research (I haven't looked there yet).

Update:  using the Poznan Project Region Marriage Indexing for 1800-1899, I typed in
"Christoph Kluge" and "Wilhelmina Nowack" and got this response:

Protestant community Szamotuły [Samter]entry 2 / 1850

  • Christoph Kluge (30 years old)  100%
  • Wilhelmine Nowald (24 years old)  72%
Then I looked up the village in kartenmeiser.com
German NameSamter
Polish/Russian NameSzamotuly
Kreis/CountySamter
Residents of Jewish Faith537
German ProvincePosen
Today's ProvinceWielkopolskie
LocationEast 16°35' North 52°36'
Google MapGoogle Maps (Samter)
Map Number68
Location DescriptionThis village/town is located 32.7 km and 315 degrees from Posen, which is known today as Poznan
Lutheran ParishSamter 1905
Catholic ParishSamter 1905
Standesamt/Civil RegistrySamter 1905
Gemeindelexikon/Town IndexV-30-3
Population By Year/Einwohner1875: 4316
1880: 4414
1905: 6423
RemarksKreisstadt - County Seat in the same named Kreis/County
ChurchYes

I'm hoping I can continue to search this village from afar!!

What was surprising or different from the information we had at the outset?
1. The only new information listed was Carl's mother's maiden name being Nowack (not Norwald as we thought). I thought it even said Norwald on her headstone!
2. There's a Wilhelm Kluge listed on the marriage certificate. Who is he? Perhaps Carl's brother?
3. Christiane's mother's maiden name is listed as Hubschneider (great confirmation on info we had from another source).
4. Many Doblers were listed among the church members, so it seems that's why Carl and Christiane were married here.
5. Many Doblers were listed as having come from Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
6. The Kluge and Nowack families were possibly Catholic.

Records of which I have a copy now:
- Carl Kluge and Christiane Dobler marriage record from Moravian church book
- Rose Amelia Kluge baptism record from Moravian church book
- Hamburg passenger list entry, C Kluge family

---Refs ---
1. kartenmeister.com
2. Hamburg passenger list index 1872, record for C Kluge
3. Germans to America Lists of Passengers Arriving at U.S. Ports Vol 16 November 1864-November 1865
4. Church records, 1870-1960 [Freedom Township, Wisconsin], Freedom Moravian Church (Freedom Township, Wisconsin). Contains baptisms 1870-1939; confirmations 1870-1939; communicants; 1870-1888; marriages 1868-1939; funerals 1870-1940, 1957; removals and dismissals 1872-1938, 1953; receptions 1913-1915, 1934-1939; and memberships ca. 1870-1960.
5. Gemeindelexikon fur das Koenigreich Preussen, heft 5, Provinz Posen
FHL intl film # 1191115 Akta urodzeń 1790-1794 -- Akta zgonów 1772-1794 -- Akta małżeństw 1772-1794 -- Akta urodzeń 1795-1837, 1772-1794, 1815-1847 (okolica) -- Akta małżeństw 1795-1849 -- Akta zgonów 1795-1823
FHL intl film # 1191116 Akta zgonów 1823-1849 -- Akta urodzeń 1848-1874 -- Akta zgonów 1849-1875 -- Akta małżeństw 1849-1901 -- Akta urodzeń 1753
7. FHL green handout on Polish research
8. Poznan Project Region Marriage Indexing for 1800-1899 at poznan-project.psnc.pl

----Notes from Research Days----
Update 5/20: In looking at the Map Guide to German Parish Registers Kingdom of Prussia  - Province of Posen book II; no direct translation of Treskowo. But it does show the Murowana-Goslin parish #746968. There is also a Kreis Posen Ost.

From the kartenmeister.com, it says Treskowo, Vorwerk and Lutheran Parish Murowana Goslin, Kreis Obornik 1905. Civil registry Owinsk 1905. Kreis Posen-Ost.

Looking for the village of Christof Kluge......he may have come from Treskowo, Posen, Prussia.

To date, I'm not sure what the Polish version of this place name is.

From the LDS catalog, there's Germany, Preußen, Posen, Trzuskotowo or Treskowo/Owinsk, Posen/Pozan


Link to Christof Kluge past post.

Possibly emigrated in 1866
From Germans to America Lists of Passengers Arriving at U.S. Ports
Vol 16 November 1864-November 1865
Page 175 

Ancestry: Wisconsin wills and probate for Christof

What about looking at their church records (Moravian church of Black Creek?)

LDS film: Church records, 1870-1960 [Freedom Township, Wisconsin]

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