One eveing in early 2Q2022, I was reviewing posts in my blog - when I was reminded of the clue about Louis Goetz's passport application in 1896 (See this post).
Searching for the Goetz German Village (2022) Wednesday, April 13, 2022
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Thoughts on Next Steps for Carl J. Kluge (Aug 2018) Saturday, August 8, 2020
Looking for Carl Julius Kluge birth record abt 1852, Samter area
Parents married in Samter in 1850 (church record found).
Carl Julius Kluge doesn't come up in the BaSIA database.
Civil records for 1850s aren't in the catalog.
Look at digital film for Samter church records:
Maybe Catholic?
Family History Library
International Film
1194522
8024119
Taufen 1840-1868
Family History Library
International Film
1194747
8024927
Militär Gemeinde: Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1834-1884
Family History Library
International Film
172519
Items 1-3
102469410
Taufen 1834-1875, 1834-1884 Heiraten 1834-1875, 1834-1883 Tote 1834-1875, 1834-1883 Konfirm. 1834-1883
Family History Library
International Film
72910
102469391
Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1775-1794 Heiraten, Tote 1845
Family History Library
International Film
747343
8024667
Akta małżeństw 1832-1844 Akta zgonów 1832-1856 Akta urodzeń 1845-1860 Akta małżeństw 1845-1858
Family History Library
International Film
1191165
8118456
| This item is available on microfilm at this family history center. |
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Looking for Filles du Roi (March 2019) Monday, December 16, 2019
Filles du roi are more generally known as the founding women of French Canada. They were recruited to come to French Canada by Louis XIV. Get the scoop - read on!
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Berns of Friemersheim, Germany (Aug 2018) Thursday, August 2, 2018
LDS Film 008110366/490207 (online digital via familysearch.org), was able to find the:
a. 1839 marriage for Herman Berns and Margaret Steinhaus.
b. 1811 marriage for Catherine Schumackers (listed as Trinken) and Diedrick Berns
c. 1816 marriage for Sibilla Halfman and Tillman Steinhaus
d. 1790 - possibly the marriage for Wilhelm der Streepen
LDS Film 490254/8110371 (online digital via familysearch.org), was able to find the:
a. 1816 birth for Herman Berns and his brother Jacob
There are films not yet digitized of the civil records which would be good to review.
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Following Rappolds/Fabers Back Further into the 1600s (Almost) (May 2018) Friday, May 11, 2018
Started by searching the familysearch catalog for any material on Michelbach an der Luecke.
The film 575068 came up with marriages for 1646-1652, 1664-1742 for Michelbach an der Luecke.
The film was digitized and thus online. Michelbach is around film page 508.
I snapped pages for Faber and Rappolds ... still need to figure out where they fit in the tree.
There were also several Ziegler entries but I did not snap those pages because I did not recognize the people.
Film title is Evangelische Kirchenbuchauszuege, 1586-1811
Author is Max Cramer from 1969.
pg 210 - Johann Georg Rappolt - death record
S.d. Beckhen, Jacob (?what does this mean)
He died in 1684
He was the servant, farm hand, apprentice, errand boy or laborer (knecht) of Jacob Beckhen
Married to Catharina Hornung daughter of deceased Leonhardt Leutzenweyler
pg 212 - Paulus Faber death record 1690
Son of the deceased Andreas gew. Beckhen
ein Wandersgesell - travelling journeyman (gesell after 3 years)
Born Beckhens from Haussen ear Franckfurth a Meyn (Frankfurt)
Wife Barbara Horner daughter of Hannss Buwerns from Hengstfeld
page 241 marriage 22 Jul 1732 Marie Mag Rappoldt only daughter of Johann Leonhardt Becken from Wildenholtz
Johann Michael Duerr, (died in feb 4 1776 in Steinbach) youngest son of Andreas B.
Citizen and weaver in Gailroth
Mother is Ger (Ger... ?) from Michelbach
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There's another film entry Kirchenbuch, 1646-1913 for Evangelische Kirche Michelbach an der Luecke (OA Gerabronn). It is film number 1528594, 95 and 96. They have the locked camera symbol but there is also a magnifying glass that says "search the index".
When I click on this symbol, the index comes up in the family search window -- 6700 entries. The Michelbach entries start on screen 19, half way down.
There are some Kohlers on this film from the 1829-1888.
Limited search to "Michelbach" and reviewed 879 records. Nothing interesting
Many Zieglers, and a few Hessenauers show up in this film (1528594).
On film 1528592 there are taufen for 1728/Georg Michael (hard to read) and marriage for Georg Michael/1757.
Then there's a taufen for Johann Michael Rappold/1763.
We tried to find the death for Johann Michael/1785, 3 Nov, but it was not on those pages (so maybe it is mis-indexed)
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More Generations in Wronke: Nohwald/Schaulz in 1797 (May 2018) Tuesday, May 8, 2018
Before arriving at SLC/Family History Library:
I had learned that Johann Gottlieb Norwald and Anna Rosina Schmidt were the parents of Wilhelmine Norwald. I wanted to see if I could find the birth record for Johann Gottlieb Norwald -- assuming he was from Wronke.
Upon arrival:
Since I didn't know Johann Gottlieb's birth day -- I assumed he was born in the 1790s. (He is listed as being 25 years old in 1824) on his marriage certificate. I checked for the Wronke films in the LDS holdings - the first I viewed (on-line) was 8025857 (1778-1794). He was not listed.
Then Maria/Polish researcher showed me how to use BaSIA. (WAS: losttoolbox.pl; IS: http://www.basia.famula.pl/en/)
There was an index for the births - and a person as listed as "Gottlieb Nowald, born 1797".
I was able to find the record. (this should also be on film 8025858, Wronke baptisms for 1795 to 18xx). (update: looks like it was on film 8025857, part 2)
From the record, I learned that Johann Gottlieb's parents are Christoph Nohwald (an inn keeper of some sort) and Anna Maria Schaulz(in). Johann Gottlieb was born on 23 May 1797 and baptized on 25 May 1797.
Sources Summary:
Kirchenbuch, 1778-1874 LDS film # 8025857, Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1778, 1794 -- Taufen 1794-1835 for Evan. church Samter, Posen, Prussia
Kirchenbuch, 1778-1874 LDS film # 8025858, Heiraten 1795-1838 -- Tote 1794-1819 -- Taufen, Tote 1818 -- Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1821-1823, 1825-1826, 1838-1841 for Evan. church Samter, Posen, Prussia.
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Michael Kraska -- Re-tracing research (May 2018)
Previously, we had found WWI draft reg and WWII draft reg cards for Authur Kraska indicating he was from Bergfriede. In looking in Kartenmeister.com -- there are many Bergfriede towns.
Then we received a copy of church book page -- reportedly to be from Germany, Preußen, Ostpreußen, Groß Schmückwalde.
This visit:
I looked up this village in Kartenmeister.com ... and received the following results:
| German Name | Groß Schmückwalde |
| Alternate Name 1: | Groß Schmigwalde 1820 > |
| Alternate Name 2: | Schmigwalde 1785 > |
| Alternate Name 3: | Schmückwalde 1912 > |
| Alternate Name 4: | Smickinwalde 1332 > |
| Polish/Russian Name | Szmykwald |
| Kreis/County | Osterode |
| German Province | Ostpreussen |
| Today's Province | Warminsko-Mazurskie |
| Location | East 19°54' North 53°37' |
| Google Map | Google Maps (Groß Schmückwalde) |
| Map Number | 2385 |
| Location Description | This village/town is located 2.9 km and 252 degrees from Seubersdorf, which is known today as Brzydowo |
| Lutheran Parish | Groß Schmückwalde 1905 |
| Catholic Parish | Osterode 1905 |
| Standesamt/Civil Registry | Röschken 1905 |
| Gemeindelexikon/Town Index | I-27-185 |
| Population By Year/Einwohner | 1820: 186 1905: 253 1939: 611 |
| Remarks | Shows in 1785 28 Feuerstellen and is classified as: Adelich Vorwerk und Bauerdorf mit einer Kirche, mater von Peterswalde ; nebst 2 Neusaaaßen. In 1820 20 Feuerstellen and is classified as: Adlich Dorf und Vorwerk. First mentioned in 1332. |
| Church | Yes |
| German Name | Bergfriede |
| Polish/Russian Name | Samborowo |
| Kreis/County | Osterode |
| German Province | Ostpreussen |
| Today's Province | Warminsko-Mazurskie |
| Location | East 19°49' North 53°40' |
| Google Map | Google Maps (Bergfriede) |
| Map Number | 2384 |
| Location Description | This village/town is located 10.3 km and 248 degrees from Osterode, which is known today as Ostroda |
| Lutheran Parish | D |
| Population By Year/Einwohner | 1936: 937 |
| Remarks | For additional information see: Bergfriede, Adlig |
Need to pull up on the microfilm reader the actual microfilm #1198647 (specifically: Taufen (baptisms) 1864-1875 (r. S.) Taufen 1864-1875 (l. S.) Heiraten 1831-1875 (r. S.) Heiraten 1831-1875 (l. S.). -- B3480 links (left side?) as read from the emailed snapped page.
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Louis Goetz - 1896 Passport Application Clue (May 2018) Monday, May 7, 2018
Finding the village from which Louis Goetz came is proving to challenging.
At the end of the last visit, from the Trinity Church book records -- In very small print, it is noted that Heinrich's father is Wilhelm Goetz from Sachen-Gotha, and Christine's father is Jakob Heizmann from Wuerttemberg. (US film 954974)
Within five minutes of arrival - I went on FamilySearch.org and searched on "Louis Goetz".
A new record (or one I overlooked) was his passport application from 1896. More importantly were the following facts:
"I was born at Ober Mallia in Saxony" in "Germany" "30 August 1836". I sailed "from Bremen" on "March 1853".
Then I spoke with the librarians to see if they could help translate Ober Mallia into Germany.
Their best guess is "Obermehler".
From Meyers Gazetteer -- Obermehler is located in Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha.
Unfortunately, there are no fiche from this town at LDH. The librarians suggested I email a researcher who can go to the Landeskirchenarchiv eisenach located here.
Christian-Hoske.de -- email sent May 2018
(Update 2020: search info from Christian came up with the wrong ancestor - so need to do further research via a different method. Good excuse to go on a trip to Germany.)
I also looked at the Map Guide to German Parish Registers - Thuringia.
The Obermehler area is located in the Duchy of Saxe-Gotha -- Landratsamt Gotha.
There is no LDS microfiche listed for this area.
References:
1. https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/20374051
2. https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Alouis~%20%2Bsurname%3Agoetz~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1836-1836~
3. http://www.landeskirchenarchiv-eisenach.de/
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Kluge / Nowald in Samter, Posnan (2017) Monday, May 8, 2017
Update Post Visit/June-July 2017 -- following the Schmidt line
Went to local family history center to look further at the film #764068/Samter, since it is digitized and on-line. The earliest records on this film are from 1783. So I started there since I don't have any birth dates for Anna Rosina nor Johann Gottlieb Norwald. Eventually, on page 60, there was a birth record for Anna Rosina Schmidt, from Samter, born 1801 28 March. Her parents are Georg Schmidt and Maria Kuehn.
Here's what I can make out.
Anna Rosina was born on 28th Marz, baptized on 7th April
Father: Georg Schmidt, is a resident (einwonher) and blacksmith (Schmidt) in Samter. Some note w/ the words "regiment" and "company" like he was in the Army at one time?
He was a muskateer.
Mother: Maria Schmidt born Kuehn
1st witness: Young lady (jung frau) Rosina Schultz daughter of a brandy wine brewer in Samter
2nd witness: George Fritz citizen and blacksmith in Samter
3rd witness: Mertin Mietzer is a citizen and clothmaker in Samter
If you look at the opposite page, #23, you can see there's a resident that's a medical apothecary. And not shown on these pages, but there are many people listed with the profession "tobacco planter" (toback planteur).
On other pages, there was one sister (of Anna Rosina) Anna Maria Schmidt, born 1804. This may have been the event that also killed our ancestor Maria Kuehn as Georg Schmidt has 2 other children with Eva Rosina Webern in 1805 and 1808 (pages 107 and 133).
Georg Schmidt may also have a brother Johann Friedrich Schmidt, married to Maria Elisabeth Kruger(n). They show up in the same church records having several children around the same time as Georg.
Also, there's another film listed in the LDS library catalog called "military city/post" .... so maybe there was a military base of some type near Samter. It is only in film version, so will have to look at it next time I go to Salt Lake City.
Here's a link to Meyer's Gazatteer http://www.meyersgaz.org/place/20672054 for Samter.
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Pre-Visit Info:
Christopher Kluge and Wilhelmina Nowald were married in 1850 in Samter, Posnan (from Posnan Project on-line database).
Next steps : Look up village of Samter, Posnan in the red books to verify the church parish.
Then look at films for Christopher Kluge and Wilhelmina Nowald marriage in 1850.
Day Two Visit/Monday Info
Looked up Samter in Map Guide to German Parish Registers (Posnan II). It belongs to Samter parish.
Then looked up Samter in the familysearch.org, intl film 1194748 which was online (woo hoo, no microfilm reader required). (Red books also list intl film #764068 as being from Samter).
Then found entry page 242 - first page of 1850 marriages (in 10 minutes, found this instead of an hour when using microfilm)
Christoph and Wilhelmine are in the 3rd entry.
Rough translation from their entry is:
10th Feb 1850, evangelical church, Christopher Kluge from Niemieczkowo (parish: Obornik) and Wilhelmine Nowald from Twardowo (parish: Samter)
Wilhelmine's father Gottfried (or Gottlieb) is already deceased. Her guardian gives his ok for her to marry Christoph. Wilhelmine is the oldest daughter (24 years old).
Christoph is 30 years old and a widower. He may have lived in the town of Rogasen (par: Obornik) since this is mentioned in the record from which Christoph received the approval to marry Wilhelmine.
Protestant community Wronki [Wronke]entry 4 / 1824
- Johann Gottlieb Nowald (25 years old) 100%
- Anna Rosina Schmidt (26 years old)
From film for Wronke, parish Wronke #764499, I found the marriage record for Johann and Anna. They were both in residence in the parish/city of Wronke. Johann was a blacksmith. All parents were deceased at the time of the marriage.
Next steps:
1. Look for another marriage for Christoph Kluge in the Poznan project (maybe within the dates of that database). Here's a possible entry (except we'd expect Christoph to be younger than 30yrs old):
Protestant community Pniewy [Pinne]entry 3 / 1848
- Christoph Kluge (30 years old) 100%
- Anna Louise Grieger (20 years old)
father: Christoph Grieger
Here are some choices:
Protestant community Krotoszyn [Krotoschin]entry 3 / 1815
- Georg Kluge (25 years old) 100%
father: Matthias Kluge + - Anna Rosina Zobke (21 years old)
father: Christian Zobke
Protestant community Sieraków [Zirke]entry 18 / 1817
- Georg Kluge (21 years old) 100%
father: Christoph Kluge - Louise Schaerfchen alias Schulz (33 years old, widow)
Additional information: Wittwe George Schaerschen
3. Maybe "Justine Kluge, b. 1844" is a child from Christoph's first marriage ... look for her is US records and Posnan records.
4. Looking in BaSIA for these folks, but most of the towns from which they came, records have not been indexed that far back yet.
Sources:
Kirchenbuch, 1783-1874, LDS film #764068, Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1783-1821 -- Tote 1807-1821 -- Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1820-1821 for Evan. church Samter, Posen, Prussia.
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Louis Goetz - Looking in Ortssippenbuchen / Church Books (2017)
Day Two/Tuesday
Continuing work on tips from last visit, I want to look at the ortssippenbuch -- village of Eichstetten.
Title: Ortsfamilienbuch Eichstetten : Eichstetten am Kaiserstuhl, 1644-1900
Due to the fact that more records have been indexed, may want to look in Ancestry Intl again.
Day Three/Wednesday
Spent part of the day looking for Goetz in Baden.
Day Four/Thursday
Went back to Trinity Church records, I re-located the marriage record for Heinrich Fred. Ludwig Goetz and Christiane Heizmann.
In very small print, it is noted that Heinrich's father is Wilhelm Goetz from Sachen-Gotha, and Christine's father is Jakob Heizmann from Wuerttemberg. (US film 954974)
Looked thru all the Germans to America (1861-1850) at Goetz and Gotz but did not find any reference that looked relevant.
After Visit
Looked at notes again from 2016. Looks like we might know the brother and sister of Ludwig Goetz. Need to verify.
Also, in familysearch, someone has listed Barbara Schwartz, Steinmauern, Baden, as the mother of Ludwig Goetz. Would need to locate the church record to confirm. Film 1046271 would be a good one to look at. Get the scoop - read on!
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Ziegler/Koehler Families ... the Search Continues in Liebesdorf (2017) Sunday, May 7, 2017
Follow-up in July 2017
A tip from a cousin led me to a roots web site for a database with the Church books of Göppingen beginning in 1808. While Goeppingen is a little ways away from Ruppertshofen, I was able to find some useful information on Christian Fred's sister - Maria Barbara Ziegler. I knew she was married to Johann Andreas Arnold - but I learned that she moved to Ilshofen (south of Ruppertshofen) and had 6 children (including names and birth dates). Maria died at the age of 68 in 1894.
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Before I left for Salt Lake, I reviewed the info I had on my second
great-grandfather, Christian Fred Ziegler, and second great-grandmother,
Anna Maria Kohler.
Pre-visit Info
At the last visit, I learned:
1. Johann Georg Ziegler family (my 3rd ggfather) (#236) is from Ruppertshofen, Gerabronn, Germany, born Oct 1788.
1a. Father: Johann Georg Ziegler (Sr) is Georg's father
1b. Mother: Eva Margarita
2. Confirmed my 3rd ggmother's name is Carolina Barbara Stegmaier, also from Ruppertshofen, born 25 Jan 1801.
2a. Johann Georg Stegmaier, born 1768
2b. Anna Catherina
Here is a copy of the Johann Georg Ziegler family (#236) register from Ruppertshofen (Christian Fred is the third child of the children on this record).
Here is a copy of the marriage record for our few times ggrandmother Carolina Barbara Stegmaier to Johann Georg Ziegler (2nd entry down on the left). Her father is Johann Georg Heinrich Stegmaier, mother is Anna Catherina Hessenauer.
Johann Georg's father is Johann Georg and his mother is Eva Margaretha Rappold(tin).
So, now I want to trace these ancestors back farther and make good copies of the associated church records to answer a) how far back can I find family records? b) did they always live in Ruppertshofen?
Films to check for 1a, 1b and 2a and 2b.
1528606 Items 1-3 FamilyRegisters
1528604 Births, marriages ... 1600s to 1842
Other facts:
From FHL film: Ziegler family #s are 541, 144, 244, 402, 274, 408, 433 (144 might be the most interesting) (see hand note IMG3290), maybe family 174 contains father?
From familysearch: Zieglers in many towns nearby. For example:
Birkenlohe, Schrozberg, Wiesenbach , Brekingen, Hohengehren, Neuselhalden
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Day One Visit / Saturday Info
3. I haven't figured out the village for Anna Maria Koehler, born 14 May 1829.
Here is the top and bottom half of the Kohler family church register (#375).
Step 1 is to look up her emigration application. The record is indexed in Ancestry, but the image is not there - so go to film.
- Rosina Koehler from Liesbesdorf (Gerabronn), app date May 22, 1857 #FHL intl film 573623 and Rosina Kohler from Michelbach an der Heide (Gerabronn) intl film 573632
Day Two Visit / Monday Info
From the file 573623, was able to find the entries for Fred Ziegler (entry 86, 14 Oct 1857) and Rosina Margaretha Koehler (entry 46, 22 May 1857).
Regarding the request of the single woman
The following is declared first
1. Still missing some info, primarily that she has agreed to emigrate
2. Sponsors at baptism (?) was a shoemaker (Mr. Stank), he will take care of any obligations she leaves behind.
He will also carry the cost for a place to stay and 2 days in hotel
3. Her father, according to guardianship protocol 108, will also pay. He is able to pay.
4. With respect to emigration and release of subject of nobility, (women is not a citizen):
No objections.
5. The immigrant receives from her father 150 franks in cash for travel cost.
Signed the Village council
22 Mai 1857
In Mai 1857, 24 yrs old, has permission of father, shoemaker to immigrate to North America and release from the Wuerttemberg state. The single Rosina has been granted.
Next steps: Look up applications for Rosina's sister and family. Verify tape numbers in WEI.
To find Liesbesdorf on google.com/maps, type in "Liesbesdorf, Gerabronn, Germany"
You'll be directed to an intersection of the L1037, K2515 and the L1041. If you zoom in, you'll see that one of the rivers is the Michelbach River.
Day Three Visit / Wednesday Info
I decided to verify some of the translating I did on the Ziegler family records using familysearch.org and ancestryinstitution.com.
1. 1780s
Johann Georg Ziegler (3rd ggrand-father) is from Rot am See
wife Carolina Barbara Stegmaier is from Ruppertshofen
2a. 1750s
Johann Georg Ziegler's mother, Eva Margarita Rappold was from Michelbach an der Heide
Eva's parents are Georg Michael Rappold and Maria Margaretha.
2b. Carolina Stegmaier's father, Johann Georg Heinrich, was an innkeeper from Ruppertshofen.
His wife, Carolina's mother was Anna Catherina Hessenauer, also from Ruppertshofen.
YouTube video of Ruppertshofen
Gerabronn was the county seat in the 1800s. some good post cards here
No Wiki page for Ruppertshofen. But here's one for Gerabronn.
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Labels: Kohler, Liesbesdorf, SLC
Reaching Back Further in Posen (2016) Friday, June 3, 2016
I was thinking about how I could use the Posen/Poznan database further for researching the Kluge and Nowald names ...
Protestant community Zdunyentry 16 / 1800
- Johann Georg Kluge (26 years old) 100%
- Dorothea Elisabeth Hoffman (21 years old)
father: Christian Gottfried Hoffman +
Protestant community Zdunyentry 13 / 1800
- Georg Kluge (24 years old) 100%
- Anna Marie Elisabeth Grätze (23 years old)
father: Georg Grätze +
Protestant community Sieraków [Zirke]entry 18 / 1817
- Georg Kluge (21 years old) 100%
father: Christoph Kluge - Louise Schaerfchen alias Schulz (33 years old, widow)
Additional information: Wittwe George Schaerschen
Catholic parish Rokitno [Rokitten]entry 2 / 1802
- Bernardus Nowald (28 years old) 100%
- Marianna Elisabeth Obertinn (38 years old, widow)
Catholic parish Rokitno [Rokitten]entry 1 / 1807
- Bernardus Nowald (widower) 100%
- Anna Marianna Karginn
Protestant community Wronki [Wronke]entry 4 / 1824
- Johann Gottlieb Nowald (25 years old) 100%
- Anna Rosina Schmidt (26 years old)
Protestant community Szamotuły [Samter]entry 4 / 1804
- Matthias Nowak (30 years old) 77%
- Caroline Griebsch (19 years old)
father: Andreas Griebsch
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Next Steps Last Day of Trip (2016) Sunday, May 22, 2016
For 5/23/2016, Focus on the following:
1. Anna Maria (Rosina?) Kohler (look again at W Emigration Index, vol 5).
Possibly from Liebesdorf / Michelbach an der Heide parish 1528592 Items 8-11
and family reg in 1528593
Update: looked at these during 2017 trip. See other post for details.
2. Look at W Emigration Index for Heinrich Friedrick Ludwig Goetz (in US by 1861; 16 Sep 1858? possibly from Baden-Baden)
Le Harve ship record says Baden
In looking in Baden emigration records on ancestry,
a Gotz person from Balzhofen, Buehl, Baden
Update: looked at Detroit Trinity Church record again. Goetz from Sachen-Gotha area.
3. Look at Freedom Moravian Church records for Kluge marriage 28 Sep 1873 1392658 Items 1 - 4
What town is Christof Kluge from?
Updated: Found marriage record for Christoph in Samter, Posnan.
4. Goetsch: Kurow tape 1496969 Items 3-5; or look up obits for Goetsch?
Michigan death cert says: Berbero, Germany (16 Mar 1922)
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Ziegler/Koehler Leads - the Search Continued (2016) Friday, May 20, 2016
Before I left for Salt Lake, I reviewed the info I had on my second great-grandfather, Christian Fred Ziegler, and second great-grandmother, Anna Maria Kohler.
Pre-visit Info
Names, birth dates, parents names, sibling and origin info
Christian Fredrich Ziegler, (goes by Fred)
b. 29 Dec 1831,
Georg Ziegler (mayor) and Rosa Steckmeyer,
1 older brother and 1 older sister,
Stuttgart area, something that sounded like "Gerbum" village
Note: before I left, I also determined that "Steckmeyer" might really be written "Stegmaier"
Anna Maria Kohler,
b. 14 May 1829,
Otto and Lena Kohler,
2 older sisters,
"nearby" Hall area
Date of emigration/ship crossing
Sep/Oct 1857, arriving in New York
Thursday Search Steps
I went directly to the first basement, B1, the International floor and got to work.
Wurttemberg Emigration Index (WEI): I had previously looked in the Index, both in Ancestry and in the hard copy books. I knew there were several Fred and Christian Ziegler entries listed without birth dates. So the challenge was to figure out which of those entries was our ancestor (or maybe none of them).
A volunteer at the Family History Library (FHL) reminded me that I needed to look in all 8 volumes of the index since I wasn't sure from which area within Wurttemberg he came. I identified the following 2 entries in volume 5 as possibilities due to the names, and dates and thought Gerabronn could sound like Gerbum.
- Friedrich Ziegler from Ruppertshofen (Gerabronn), application date Sep 1857 #FHL intl film 573632
- Rosina Koehler from Liesbesdorf (Gerabronn), app date May 1857 #FHL intl film 573623
Map Guide to German Parish Registers, Kingdom of Wurttemberg (MGW):
The FHL volunteer then suggested I look in the Wurttemberg Gazetteer. One volume contained the master town index. I looked up Ruppertshofen and Liesbesdorf in the index and traced them to the MGW for Jagstkreis (vol 1). Both villages are in the oberamt (town) of Gerabronn (as indicated in the WEI). Ruppertshofen is in its own parish of Ruppertshofen and Liebesdorf is in the parish of Michelbach an der Heide parish.
Friday Search Steps
Wurttemberg Emigration Applications:
I looked up the actual emigration application FHL intl film numbers for both entries I had "guessed" on Thursday since they didn't seem to be obvious answers. I picked out the first intl film (#572632) from the vault. It was very difficult to read the handwriting. I wasn't sure how the film was organized, so I just started scanning through the applications as fast as I could apply some reasonable pattern matching for "Christian" or "Friedrich" or "Ziegler".
With some luck, I managed to find an application that was from Ruppertshofen and had "Ziegler" on it. I brought it to the volunteer and together we determined it was a list of conditions to be met before emigration. Other than the name "Andreas Ziegler" (I was guessing a brother or other close relative) there wasn't really any other usable information.
Since the application was so hard to read and didn't provide any new info for determining the village, I decided not to look for Rosina Kohler's application at that time and instead move onto the church records for Ruppertshofen.
Ruppertshofen, Gerabronn Lutheran Church Records:
There are two film reels ranging from 1555 (!) to 1986 (!) with the typical baptism, marriage and death entries. Then there are two film reels with family registers from 1555-1986. I figured if I could find the family register with Christian Fred, bro, sis and parents I'd be in good shape. So I loaded onto the film reader intl film # 1528605 which had some of the family registers at the end - and tried to go to those pages. (These films are the reel to reel tapes that you have to hand crank -- so it takes time to navigate the various sections of the film, esp. when German isn't your first language). I couldn't see any relevant family register with Christian Fred Ziegler or family members listed. (BUMMER!)
Note: when I first looked up the Ruppertshofen film in the FHL catalog, Ruppertshofen came up in 2 different parishes (Gaildorf and Gerabronn). I had to go back and check my work to determine that I should go with the Ruppertshofen/Gerabronn (matching the listing in WEI).
I was about to give up and started to slowly rewind the film, just stopping at various pages to see if I could identify anything. I happened to stop in the confirmation section (on a record that was more easily readable) -- year 1845 and saw the record had "Christian Friedrich Ziegler, b. 29 Jan 1831; father Johann Georg Ziegler, Carolina Barabara geb. Stegmeier" ... and thought "OMG, that might be our ancestor."
After lunch, I decided to look at one of the intl films #1528604 with baptisms in the range 1831. I carefully scanned through all of 1831, 1830 and 1829 and didn't see any Ziegler entry. Then I started scanning earlier since we know Christian Fred had an older brother and sister. I was able to locate the record for a Maria Barbara Ziegler b. 14 Nov 1825. I noticed in the margin the family number "236" so I started looking for other entries with this number. That's how I was able to find the brother Johann Andreas b. 6 Dec 1822 and finally Christian Friedrich b. 29 Jan 1831. Woo hoo!! I had to find and check the family register to make sure 236 was the correct Ziegler family since there were many Zieglers on these films.
I finally found a family register index on one of the film reels with relevant entries for
- Stegmayer families #173 (Christian's mother's father/mother),
- Ziegler families (# many) #236 (Christian's father/mother),
- Ziegler family #244 (Andreas Z married).
Saturday Steps
I went back over the film reels on Saturday to make sure I was interpreting everything correctly and tried to take a few photos of the different relevant pages for reference.
What was surprising or different from the info we had at the outset?
1. Excellent to pretty definitively know that this family is from Ruppertshofen, Gerabronn area.
2. Christian Fred's mother's name appears to be Carolina Barbara (not Rosina); she has a sister named Rosina.
3. This seems to be an error in the confirmation - as C Fred's birthday in the family register is 29 Dec 1831. (Christian Fred's birth date appears to be 29 Jan (not Dec) 1831.)
4. Good to learn the sister's and brother's info
5. Good to validate that C Fred's father's name is Georg, his mother's surname is Stegmaier and learn their birth, marriage and death dates.
6. In the family register, it indicates the marriage dates (both 1850) and surnames of the spouses for C Fred's brother Johann Andreas (Mach) and sister Maria Barbara (xx) but there's no such indication for C Fred (meaning he didn't get married in Germany?)
7. There's a notation next to C Fred's name in the family register indicating he went to North America in 1857.
8. Learned C Fred's Stegmaier grandparents' names (Johann Georg Stegmaier and Anna Catharina).
9. In the confirmation record, I believe it says C Fred's father was an administrator (pointing to the info we have about being a mayor later in life?)
10. Did a quick search in familysearch.org on "Ziegler in Ruppertshofen" and many Zieglers showed up in Gerabronn - so there's a bunch of families to pick thru there at a later time.
Records of which I have a copy now:
- Christian Fred Ziegler emigration application FHL intl film #573632, 2 pages
From Ruppertshofen Gerabronn FHL intl films #1528604, #1528605, #1528606
- Christian Fred, Maria Barbara, Johann Andreas Ziegler baptismal records
- Christian Fred Ziegler confirmation
- Johann Georg Ziegler (Christian Fred's father) family register (family 236)
- Johann Andreas Ziegler (Christian Fred's brother) family register (family 244)
- Johann Stegmaier (Christian F's mother, Carolina Barabara) family register (family 174) (fuzzy photo-need to retake)
- Need Rosina Mach (wife of Andreas Ziegler) family 111
--- References ---
1. Kirchenbuch, 1555-1986 , Evangelische Kirche Ruppertshofen (OA. Gerabronn) FHL intl film #1528605 Heiraten (u. Orte) 1842-1953 Tote 1795-1957 Konfirmation 1842-1986 Familienregister u. Index (u. Orte)
2. Kirchenbuch, 1555-1986 , Evangelische Kirche Ruppertshofen (OA. Gerabronn) FHL intl film #1528604
3. Kirchenbuch, 1555-1986 , Evangelische Kirche Ruppertshofen (OA. Gerabronn) FHL intl film #1528606.
4. Map guide to German parish registers vol 1 (Jagstkreis), and master index volume (books)
5. Wuerttemberg emigration index volumes 1-8 (books)
6. Auswanderungsakten Gerabronn (Württemberg). Oberamt, 1818-1870 (Wuerttemberg emigration applications) intl film #573632
----Notes from research days----
Update 5/22:
Generally from the town of Gerabronn (Wiki link) (DE link - nice paintings from late 1800s)
Update 5/21: Looked up the tapes for Ruppertshofen -
1528605 has some of the family registers at the end - tried to go there.
Didn't see Christine Fred listed.
Was about to give up, but stopped in the confirmation section -- year 1831 and saw a record that has "Christian Friedrich Ziegler, b. 29 Jan 1831; father Johann Georg Ziegler, mother geb. Stegmeier" ... so might be him.
Getting a different tape after lunch (1528604 has baptisms from 1831).
Looked up Ruppertshofen (town) to see its part of Gerabronn.
Looked up the actual application for Friedrich Ziegler in Ruppertshofen. No additional info (very hard to read).
Update 5/20 - In looking at the Wuerttemberg Emigration Index, there are entries for
- Friedrich Ziegler from Ruppertshofen (Gerabronn), app date Sep 1857 #573632
- Rosina Koehler from Liesbesdorf (Gerabronn), app date May 1857 #573623
Look up these towns in the Gazetteer.
Posted by HEZ at 1:50 PM 1 comments
More on Christof Kluge (2016) Wednesday, May 18, 2016
Before I left for Salt Lake, I reviewed the info I had on my third great-grandfather, Christof Kluge and third great-grandmother, Wilhelmina Norwald.
Pre-visit Info
Names, birth dates, parents names, sibling and origin info
Christof Kluge,
b. 17 Oct 1819 in Treskowo, Posen, Prussia (now Poland)
Wilhelmina Norwald
b. 8 Jan 1825 in ?? Posen
Carl Julius Kluge (son) (2nd great-grandfather)
b. abt 1852 in Prussia
Carl's siblings at emigration date:
Justine, Wilhelm Johannes, Pauline, August Ferdinand, Johannes Friedrich
Christiana Dobler (father Johannes Dobler, mother Anna Marie Hubschneider) married Carl Kluge at Freedom Moravian Chruch, Freedom, WI.
Christina's parents Johann Dobler and Anna Marie Hubschneider are buried at the Freedom Moravian Church Cemetery.
Thursday Search Steps
| German Name | Treskowo, Vorwerk |
| Polish/Russian Name | More Research Needed |
| Kreis/County | Posen-Ost |
| German Province | Posen |
| Today's Province | Wielkopolskie |
| Location | East 17°01' North 52°32' |
| Google Map | Google Maps (Treskowo, Vorwerk) |
| Map Number | 68 |
| Location Description | This village/town is located 3.6 km and 56 degrees from Treskau, which is known today as Owinsk |
| Lutheran Parish | Murowana Goslin, Kreis Obornik 1905 |
| Catholic Parish | Owinsk 1905 |
| Standesamt/Civil Registry | Owinsk 1905 |
| Gemeindelexikon/Town Index | V-27-101 |
| Population By Year/Einwohner | 1905: 88 |
Next, I looked in the (MGPosen) index and traced Treskowo to 2 potential Lutheran counties Kreis Posen Ost and Stadtkreis Posen, and Kreis Obornik. So now from the kartenmeister.com and the MGPosen, I have all these names of areas for which Treskowo could be part. Murowana Goslin is shown in the Kreis Obornik area. At this point, I wasn't feeling too confident about the village name (I couldn't remember where I had gotten the name because I had a bunch of sources listed in my database and didn't have time to go back to each one to verify).
I spoke with the FHL volunteer. She asked "did your ancestor come thru Hamburg to New York?" I said he did. She indicted I should look at the Hamburg passenger list record in ancestry.com because the place of origin would be listed there. In the Hamburg passenger list record for C. Kluge, there was a full listing of the family members and their place of origin (Treskowo)!
Moravian Church, Freedom Wisconsin Records
We have the marriage certificate for Carl Kluge and Christiane Dobler (1873) and baptismal certificate for Rose Amelia Kluge (1878). They both list this church as the place of the events. Therefore, I wanted to look at the marriage record to see if Carl's or Christina's place of birth is listed. From the FHL catalog, the records were on US and Canada film #1392658.
I was able to locate the marriage record. Carl was listed as being from "Prussia" and Christiane from "Wuerttemberg" - while these aid in general confirmation, not as good as specific villages or towns. I had the volunteer look at the record. I asked if the mother's maiden name was "Nowack". She said, "yes, that's a typical spelling". There's also a Wilhelm Kluge listed as one of the witnesses (?) (need translation)
Gazetteer of the Kingdom of Prussia (v5 Posen Province)
I reported to the German native FHLvolunteer that the Kluges were from Treskowo, Posen. She quickly pulled out this book, went to the index and said "27, 101". Then turned to this page labeled "27, Kreis Posen Ost" and scanned to line numbered 101. "Yep," she said, "see this footnote - Treskowo is included with this town. Let's look up Treskowo/Murowana Goslina in the FHL catalog." So we did. But then there were no Lutheran church films available for the time periods for which I was looking (e.g., 1819, 1825, 1852ish). The volunteer said "hey, wait a minute .." and went back to the gazetteer. "There were only 4 Lutherans in this town! So maybe your family was Catholic. Let's look at the Catholic film."
Księgi metrykalne, 1603-1949, Kościół rzymsko-katolicki. Parafja Murowana Goślina (Oborniki)
Update: using the Poznan Project Region Marriage Indexing for 1800-1899, I typed in
"Christoph Kluge" and "Wilhelmina Nowack" and got this response:
Protestant community Szamotuły [Samter]entry 2 / 1850
- Christoph Kluge (30 years old) 100%
- Wilhelmine Nowald (24 years old) 72%
| German Name | Samter |
| Polish/Russian Name | Szamotuly |
| Kreis/County | Samter |
| Residents of Jewish Faith | 537 |
| German Province | Posen |
| Today's Province | Wielkopolskie |
| Location | East 16°35' North 52°36' |
| Google Map | Google Maps (Samter) |
| Map Number | 68 |
| Location Description | This village/town is located 32.7 km and 315 degrees from Posen, which is known today as Poznan |
| Lutheran Parish | Samter 1905 |
| Catholic Parish | Samter 1905 |
| Standesamt/Civil Registry | Samter 1905 |
| Gemeindelexikon/Town Index | V-30-3 |
| Population By Year/Einwohner | 1875: 4316 1880: 4414 1905: 6423 |
| Remarks | Kreisstadt - County Seat in the same named Kreis/County |
| Church | Yes |
I'm hoping I can continue to search this village from afar!!
What was surprising or different from the information we had at the outset?
1. The only new information listed was Carl's mother's maiden name being Nowack (not Norwald as we thought). I thought it even said Norwald on her headstone!
2. There's a Wilhelm Kluge listed on the marriage certificate. Who is he? Perhaps Carl's brother?
3. Christiane's mother's maiden name is listed as Hubschneider (great confirmation on info we had from another source).
4. Many Doblers were listed among the church members, so it seems that's why Carl and Christiane were married here.
5. Many Doblers were listed as having come from Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
6. The Kluge and Nowack families were possibly Catholic.
Records of which I have a copy now:
- Carl Kluge and Christiane Dobler marriage record from Moravian church book
- Rose Amelia Kluge baptism record from Moravian church book
- Hamburg passenger list entry, C Kluge family
---Refs ---
FHL intl film # 1191116 Akta zgonów 1823-1849 -- Akta urodzeń 1848-1874 -- Akta zgonów 1849-1875 -- Akta małżeństw 1849-1901 -- Akta urodzeń 1753
8. Poznan Project Region Marriage Indexing for 1800-1899 at poznan-project.psnc.pl
----Notes from Research Days----
Update 5/20: In looking at the Map Guide to German Parish Registers Kingdom of Prussia - Province of Posen book II; no direct translation of Treskowo. But it does show the Murowana-Goslin parish #746968. There is also a Kreis Posen Ost.
From the kartenmeister.com, it says Treskowo, Vorwerk and Lutheran Parish Murowana Goslin, Kreis Obornik 1905. Civil registry Owinsk 1905. Kreis Posen-Ost.
Looking for the village of Christof Kluge......he may have come from Treskowo, Posen, Prussia.
To date, I'm not sure what the Polish version of this place name is.
From the LDS catalog, there's Germany, Preußen, Posen, Trzuskotowo or Treskowo/Owinsk, Posen/Pozan
Link to Christof Kluge past post.
Possibly emigrated in 1866
From Germans to America Lists of Passengers Arriving at U.S. Ports
Vol 16 November 1864-November 1865
Page 175
What about looking at their church records (Moravian church of Black Creek?)
LDS film: Church records, 1870-1960 [Freedom Township, Wisconsin]
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Labels: Kluge, Murowana Goslin Orbornik, Nowald, Posen, Poznan, Samter, SLC, Treskowo

