Before I left for Salt Lake, I reviewed the info I had on my second great-grandmother, Albertine Henrietta Radde, and second great-grandfather, Wilhelm R Goetsch.
Pre-visit Info
Names, birth dates, parents names, sibling and origin info
From a past post :
Wilhelm R. Goetsch married Albertine Radde in the old country circa 1868. Together, they sailed on the Columbus, presumably from Bremen, to New York arriving on 1 Sept 1868. From New York, they made their way to Detroit, Michigan.
i. Wilhelm R. Goetsch (b. Jul 1842, Prussia, d. Detroit, MI by 1930)(may have 6 siblings)
+ Albertine Radde (b. Sep 1849, Sochow, Stolp, Pommern, Prussia (?), d. Detroit, MI by 1930)(may have 14 siblings)
Children:
a. Ernst Carl Rudolph
b. Rudolph Carl Hermann
c. Wilhelm Carl Christian
d. Eduard Gustav Carl
e. Franz Ferdinand Robert
f. Albertine Wilhelmine Auguste
g. Paul Ferdinand Julius
h. Robert Carl Albert
i. Carl Friedrich Wilhelm
j. Otto
k. John F.
l. Arthur
m. Laura
They joined the Detroit Trinity Lutheran Church and all 13 of their children's birth from 1869 - 1895 are found in the church book (on LDS film).
Now, in trying to research the parents of Wilhelm and Albertine, this is what I found to date.
Part 1a: The birth places of Albertine's siblings shed some light on their origins.
It looks like the family moved from Sochow/Sugow, Stolp to Darsin between Apr 1858 and May 1860.
Would be useful to look at Lutheran church records in:
Sockow (1840s to 1858) and
Darsin (1858 to 1869).
i. Wilhelm Karl Radde (b. abt 1815, d. ?)
+ Henrietta Pier (b. 14 Sep 1825, Prussia, d. 25 Jun 1903, Detroit, MI)
Children:
a. Carl August (b. abt 1844)
b. Wilhelm Friedrich
c. Pauline Wilhelmina (b. 5 Jul 1847, Sugow, Stolp, Pommern, d.1939, Detroit, MI)
d. Albertine Henrietta
e. Johanna Caroline
f. Wilhelm Ferdinand
g. Eveline Wilhelmina
h. Carl Albert
i. Beulah Caroline (b. 28 Apr 1858, Sochow, Stolp, Pommern, d. 21 May 1862, Darsin, Stolp, Pommern)
j. Wilhelmina Marie (b. 26 May 1860, Darsin, Stolp, Pommern, d. 1936, Detroit, MI)
k. Ida Auguste (b. 13 Dec 1861, Darsin, Stolp, Pommern, d.?)
l. Eduard (not sure who parents are)
m. Emma Hulda (b. 19 Feb 1864, Darsin, Stolp, Pommern, d.?)
n. Augusta Henrietta (b. 14 Sep 1866, Darsin, Stolp, Pommern, d.?)
o. Theresa (b. 1 Jul 1869, Darsin, Stolp, Pommern, d. 21 Dec 1942, Mt. Clemens, MI)
Part 1b: Henrietta Pier's ancestors
ii. August Pier (or Pirr)
+ Anna Geis (or Geiss)
Children:
a. Henrietta (b. 14 Sep 1825, Prussia, d. 25 Jun 1903, Detroit, MI)
Henrietta possibly came to the US on the Ship Hannover from Bremmen 14 Jun 1880 (Castle Garden)
Part 2: For the Goetsch family -- it is more sketchy ....
The family was possibly in Kurow, Pommern in the 1830s. Would be useful to look at Lutheran church records in Kurow (1830s). (From Ferdinand Ludwig death cert)
i. Karl Goetsch (b. abt 1810, d?)
+ ??
Children: (unsubstantiated)
a. TBD - Ferdinand Ludwig (b. 29 Nov 1835, Kurow, , Pommern, d. 1918, Detroit, MI)
b. Wilhelm R (b. Jul 1842, Prussia, d. after 1920)
Thursday Search Steps
Kartenmeister.com
The volunteer asked me if I was familiar with the kartenmeister.com website. I said I was not. She went to a computer and pulled it up; then typed in Sochow. This town is located in Pomorskie province within Stolp county.
| German Name | Sochow |
| Polish/Russian Name | Zochowo |
| Kreis/County | Stolp |
| German Province | Pommern |
| Today's Province | Pomorskie |
| Location | East 17°24' North 54°26' |
| Google Map | Google Maps (Sochow) |
| Map Number | 12 |
| Location Description | This village/town is located 3.1 km and 96 degrees from Ramnitz, which is known today as Karznica |
| Lutheran Parish | Lupow 1905 |
| Catholic Parish | Stolp, Stadt 1905 |
| Standesamt/Civil Registry | Wendisch Karstnitz 1905 |
| Gemeindelexikon/Town Index | IV-29-298 |
| Population By Year/Einwohner | 1905: 135 |
| Remarks | Urkundlich bewiesen seit 1523 |
We also looked up Darsin.
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Map Guide to German Parish Registers, Kingdom of Prussia, Province of Pomerania I (MGPomerania)
Next the FHL voluteer suggested I look in the MGPomerania to verify the parish(es) for these villages.
Darsin - page 82/Lutheran, Town Key 24 maps to parish key 24 Lupow FHL intl film #904694
Sochow - page 82/Lutheran, Town Key 24 maps to parish key 24 Lupow FHL intl film #904694
Landkreis and Stadtkreis Stolp.
Kirchenbuch, 1847-1875, Evangelisch-Lutherische Kirche. Altlutheraner Gemeinde Darsin (Kr. Stolp), intl film #1194079 Item 2
Since many of Wilhelm R Goetsch's children were born in Darsin, I thought I'd look up that intl film first. Plus the description of this film claims it includes Sochow as well. The records were pretty easy to read and I found the following in the Darsin section, birth records for:
d. Albertine Henrietta (image 12 (004))
f. Wilhelm Ferdinand (image 15 (010))
g. Eveline Wilhelmina (image 16 (012))
h. Carl Albert (image 17 (014))
i. Beulah Caroline (image 19 (058))
j. Wilhelmina Marie (image 20 (020))
k. Ida Auguste (image 21 (022))
m. Emma Hulda (image 22 (024))
Notes said alternating that the father Karl Rade/Radde was from Sochow, then Darsin, and alt Darsin, and the mother of children was listed as Henrietta Pirr/Pirren.
What was surprising or different from the info we had at the outset?
Monday Search Steps
| German Name | County/Kreis |
| Kurow | Bublitz |
| Kurow | Randow |
| Kurow | Lauenburg |
| Kurow | Ostrowo |
| Kurower Mühle | Bublitz |
| Kurowo | Grätz |
| Kurowo | Kosten |
| Kurowskie Chalupy 1840 P | Ohlau |
| German Name | Kurow |
| Alternate Name 1: | Curowe 1288 |
| Polish/Russian Name | Kurowo |
| Kreis/County | Bublitz |
| Residents of Jewish Faith | 2 |
| German Province | Pommern |
| Today's Province | Zachodnio-Pomorskie |
| Location | East 16°34' North 54°02' |
| Google Map | Google Maps (Kurow) |
| Map Number | 25 |
| Location Description | This village/town is located 7.4 km and 85 degrees from Klannin, which is known today as Klanino |
| Lutheran Parish | Kurow 1905 |
| Catholic Parish | Pollnow, Kreis Schlawe 1905 |
| Standesamt/Civil Registry | Kurow 1905 |
| Gemeindelexikon/Town Index | IV-3-20 |
| Population By Year/Einwohner | 1905: 549 |
| Church | Yes |
I looked again in Seeking Michigan and found a death certificate for Wilhelm R Goetsch indicating he was from Berbero, Germany. This village/spelling doesn't come up in kartenmeister.com.
I used a web site from the "Green Polish Research Handout". I looked up "Gotsch" in herby.com.pl/indexslo.html and it yielded 10 records in OP=Opolskie. Looking up Gotsch in kartenmeister.com yielded:
| German Name | Mochau |
| Polish/Russian Name | Mochow |
| Kreis/County | Neustadt |
| German Province | Schlesien |
| Today's Province | Opolskie |
| Location | East 17°50' North 50°21' |
| Google Map | Google Maps (Mochau) |
| Map Number | 117 |
| Location Description | This village/town is located 1.6 km and 291 degrees from Ober Glogau, which is known today as Glogowek |
| Lutheran Parish | Ober Glogau 1905 |
| Catholic Parish | Wiese Pauliner 1905 |
| Standesamt/Civil Registry | Schloß Ober Glogau II 1905 |
| Gemeindelexikon/Town Index | VI-46-52 |
| Population By Year/Einwohner | 1905: 684 |
Will need to do further research.
Follow-up July 2017.
Reviewed the #1194079 Item 2 film (On-line film #007768338) as it is now online and available remotely!
1. Using German Church Records, narafriends-pittsfield.org/gechurch.htm
2. kartenmeister.com
3. Map Guide to German Parish Registers, Kingdom of Prussia, Province of Pomerania I, Regierungsbezirk Köslin
4. Map Guide to German Parish Registers, Kingdom of Prussia, Province of Pomerania II, Regierungsbezirk Stettin and Regierungsbezirk Stralsund
For the Radde Family:
Darsin - page 82/Lutheran, Town Key 24 maps to parish key 24 Lupow tape #904694
Sochow - page 82/Lutheran, Town Key 24 maps to parish key 24 Lupow tape #904694
Landkreis and Stadtkreis Stolp
and use kartenmeister.com to look up the mapping of town names/counties/German v Polish.
For the Goetsch Family:
In looking in the Map Guide to German Parish Registers (Kindom of Prussia, Province of Pomeriania II"Curowe 1288 - in Kreis Bublitz, Lutheran parish Kurow 1905 an alternate spelling that yields a town closer to Darsin/Sochow.
(Also looked at Kurow - page 288/Lutheran, Town key 36 maps to parish key 36 Gustow (omlout u) Kreis (County Randow and Stadtkeris Stettin))
Good discussion on reading German records at this link.
Update 5/19: at SLC LDS library, looked at Film # 1194079 Item 2
Darsin (mit Sochow, Grumbkow, Zechlin, usw.): Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1847-1875 (l. S., r. S. rückw.)
In the Darsin section, found the birth records for:
d. Albertine Henrietta
f. Wilhelm Ferdinand
g. Eveline Wilhelmina
h. Carl Albert
i. Beulah Caroline
j. Wilhelmina Marie
k. Ida Auguste
m. Emma Hulda
Notes said alternating that Karl Rade/Radde was from Darsin, Sochow, Old Sochow
Mother of children was listed as Henrietta Pirr/Pirren
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