Ziegler/Koehler Families ... the Search Continues in Liebesdorf (2017) Sunday, May 7, 2017

Follow-up in July 2017
A tip from a cousin led me to a roots web site for a database with the Church books of Göppingen beginning in 1808. While Goeppingen is a little ways away from Ruppertshofen, I was able to find some useful information on Christian Fred's sister - Maria Barbara Ziegler. I knew she was married to Johann Andreas Arnold - but I learned that she moved to Ilshofen (south of Ruppertshofen) and had 6 children (including names and birth dates).  Maria died at the age of 68 in 1894.

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Before I left for Salt Lake, I reviewed the info I had on my second great-grandfather, Christian Fred Ziegler, and second great-grandmother, Anna Maria Kohler.

Pre-visit Info
At the last visit, I learned:
1. Johann Georg Ziegler family (my 3rd ggfather) (#236) is from Ruppertshofen, Gerabronn, Germany, born Oct 1788.
1a. Father: Johann Georg Ziegler (Sr) is Georg's father
1b. Mother: Eva Margarita
2. Confirmed my 3rd ggmother's name is Carolina Barbara Stegmaier, also from Ruppertshofen, born 25 Jan 1801.
2a. Johann Georg Stegmaier, born 1768
2b. Anna Catherina

Here is a copy of the Johann Georg Ziegler family (#236) register from Ruppertshofen (Christian Fred is the third child of the children on this record).

Here is a copy of the marriage record for our few times ggrandmother Carolina Barbara Stegmaier to Johann Georg Ziegler (2nd entry down on the left). Her father is Johann Georg Heinrich Stegmaier, mother is Anna Catherina Hessenauer.

Johann Georg's father is Johann Georg and his mother is Eva Margaretha Rappold(tin).

So, now I want to trace these ancestors back farther and make good copies of the associated church records to answer a) how far back can I find family records? b) did they always live in Ruppertshofen?

Films to check for 1a, 1b and 2a and 2b.
1528606 Items 1-3 FamilyRegisters
1528604 Births, marriages ... 1600s to 1842

Other facts:
From FHL film: Ziegler family #s are 541, 144, 244, 402, 274, 408, 433 (144 might be the most interesting) (see hand note IMG3290), maybe family 174 contains father?

From familysearch: Zieglers in many towns nearby. For example:
Birkenlohe, Schrozberg, Wiesenbach , Brekingen, Hohengehren, Neuselhalden
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Day One Visit / Saturday Info
3. I haven't figured out the village for Anna Maria Koehler, born 14 May 1829.

Research steps:

1. looked in the WEI again (v. 5) -- verified that there's an entry "Rosina Kohler" application date May 1857 (no birth date in the WEI), from Liesbesdorf, Gerabronn

2. Looked up Liesbesdorf in the red books - to find that Liesbesdorf is part of Michelbach an der Heide church district.

3. Looked up Michelbach an der Heide in Family History library catalog (Liesbesdorf not in there).

4. Looked at 3 different films for Michelbach an der Heide (1528593, 1528594, 1528592).

5. Found 2 family registers for Kohler families in Liesbesdorf (Librarian later showed me a lot of this in now on Ancestry international version).

6. The two families are related: father/son.

Family 375: (Image 3973)

Johann Leonhardt Koehler b 1806, Liesbesdorf

+ Maria Catherina Barbara b 1803

Kids: 

Rosina Barbara b 1832, d 1832

Rosina Margaretha b 1833 (went to America) (our ancestor? == maybe her name is Rosina Maria (?))

Margaretha Barbara b 1835, d 1835

Margaretha Barbara b 1836 (went to America 1859)

Johann #1 b 1839, d 1840

Johann Michael b 1841

Catherina Margaretha b 1844

Notes on record say: took over house of family 374; family went to America in 1860.

Here is the top and bottom half of the Kohler family church register (#375).

7. Found Kohler family in WEI; entry just says Johann Kohler and family.

8. In looking on Ancestry, international addition, found a Baltimore ship record for the family in 1860, listing:

Leonard (56 yrs)

Barbara (54 yrs)

Johann (18 yrs) - so the math isn't exactly correct per the church book

Margaretha (16 yrs) - so the math isn't exactly correct per the church book

How to prove or disprove this Rosina Margareta, b 1833 in Liesbesdorf, is our ancestor?
Step 1 is to look up her emigration application. The record is indexed in Ancestry, but the image is not there - so go to film.
- Rosina Koehler from Liesbesdorf (Gerabronn), app date May 22, 1857 #FHL intl film 573623 and Rosina Kohler from Michelbach an der Heide (Gerabronn) intl film 573632

Day Two Visit / Monday Info
From the file 573623, was able to find the entries for Fred Ziegler (entry 86, 14 Oct 1857) and Rosina Margaretha Koehler (entry 46, 22 May 1857).

It then took several hours to find Rosina Margaretha's detailed emigration record on film 573632.

The info on her record says the following (generally): 

Rosina Margareta Kohler in Liesbesdorf

Regarding the request of the single woman

The following is declared first
1. Still missing some info, primarily that she has agreed to emigrate

2. Sponsors at baptism (?) was a shoemaker (Mr. Stank), he will take care of any obligations she leaves behind.
He will also carry the cost for a place to stay and 2 days in hotel

3. Her father, according to guardianship protocol 108, will also pay. He is able to pay.

4. With respect to emigration and release of subject of nobility, (women is not a citizen):

No objections.

5. The immigrant receives from her father 150 franks in cash for travel cost.

Signed the Village council

22 Mai 1857

In Mai 1857, 24 yrs old, has permission of father, shoemaker to immigrate to North America and release from the Wuerttemberg state. The single Rosina has been granted.

Next steps: Look up applications for Rosina's sister and family. Verify tape numbers in WEI.

To find Liesbesdorf on google.com/maps, type in "Liesbesdorf, Gerabronn, Germany"

You'll be directed to an intersection of the L1037, K2515 and the L1041. If you zoom in, you'll see that one of the rivers is the Michelbach River.

Day Three Visit / Wednesday Info
I decided to verify some of the translating I did on the Ziegler family records using familysearch.org and ancestryinstitution.com.

1. 1780s
Johann Georg Ziegler (3rd ggrand-father) is from Rot am See
wife Carolina Barbara Stegmaier is from Ruppertshofen

2a. 1750s
Johann Georg Ziegler's mother, Eva Margarita Rappold was from Michelbach an der Heide
Eva's parents are Georg Michael Rappold and Maria Margaretha.

2b. Carolina Stegmaier's father, Johann Georg Heinrich, was an innkeeper from Ruppertshofen.
His wife, Carolina's mother was Anna Catherina Hessenauer, also from Ruppertshofen.

YouTube video of Ruppertshofen

Gerabronn was the county seat in the 1800s. some good post cards here
No Wiki page for Ruppertshofen. But here's one for Gerabronn.